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Post by greenbeing on Nov 30, 2005 20:26:53 GMT -5
Yes, GB, it was me asking that question last night. I thought it was totally embarassing. I was embarassed that our Ron was the one acting it out! I have seen posts on other boards from people who thought it was hilarious, but I'm with you! I was afraid they were going for hilarious... They really shouldn't have tried so hard--subtlety speaks a lot. I was watching the first date so carefully, wondering which part you were going to ask me about (as if I could have missed it!). I really liked the sweet ineptness they started with, how he noticed her toes and convinced her they were nice. How he got all tongue-tied. Those were moments I wished they they would have stuck with. That scene in the car does make you wonder what the actors were thinking--they had no control over the script--wondering if they were thinking, I can't believe I'm doing this. --GB |
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Post by greenbeing on Dec 3, 2005 13:34:38 GMT -5
The Runner, update: Kathy, after much deliberation, I decided RE wouldn't have been too embarrassed, if at all, during that scene. He seems to pick his roles so carefully, and according to the minimal number of articles I've read, he tends to roll issues over with the director if he doesn't think a scene works. And being a guy to boot, I'd say he probably just accepted the scene and did his best to show that his character was scared s**tless, literally.
I, on the other hand, still find the scene embarrassing.
Christmas came early! I got to see Delivered yesterday. I really liked how RE's character went through his transformation. Loved the scene in the bathtub--who'd've thunk a serial killer would have a penchant for bubblebaths? I really liked how Reed was portrayed. Though I wish the story would have gone just a smidgen more into Reed's life outside of stalking Will, and also given a little more backstory and just what he was doing for the first guy he killed.
So far I'd recommend everything except Black Hawk Down--shudder.
--GB
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Post by shmeep on Dec 3, 2005 14:30:06 GMT -5
I just caught Sleepers on cable last night.
Hmmm. Mixed feelings. I loved the idea of the movie--and that the priest was the good guy for a change and not a child molester--but over all it wasn't something I'd choose to watch repeatedly. The voice-over was overdone and seemed to be a lazy way of inundating us with exposition rather than showing us the characterizations through the acting and the writing. I'm not a big fan of the voice-over device, unless it's done sparingly and done well. Neither was the case here. Also...the plot was full of holes. I'd list a few, but I don't know how many of you have seen it so I'll refrain for now.
But there sure was a lot of pretty going on. Sheesh! Forget Brad Pitt (although I don't mind seeing him either). What about scenes with both Ron Eldard and my other favorite, Billy Crudup? That was almost more than I could take and made the rest of the movie endurable.
Our boy can hold his own with the likes of Robert Deniro, Dustin Hoffman, Brad Pitt, Minnie Driver, Kevin Bacon, and Billy Crudup. I wish the writing had been as good as the cast, but it was still worth seeing.
And hopefully I'll get to see Delivered tomorrow with Kenina!
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Post by Katryna on Dec 3, 2005 20:42:46 GMT -5
The Runner, update: Kathy, after much deliberation, I decided RE wouldn't have been too embarrassed, if at all, during that scene. He seems to pick his roles so carefully, and according to the minimal number of articles I've read, he tends to roll issues over with the director if he doesn't think a scene works. And being a guy to boot, I'd say he probably just accepted the scene and did his best to show that his character was scared s**tless, literally. I, on the other hand, still find the scene embarrassing. --GB It's been a couple of months since I watched the Runner. Today, though, I was taping it from the DVD to send to a friend. I kept walking in and out of the room (I was doing housework at the time) and had to keep stopping to look. Ron looked really good in this one and I noticed quite a few gestures that he used as Jim Dunbar - I have to watch it again soon! Maybe now that the intial shock of the first date scene has worn off, I won't be so embarassed for Ron. I am sure your take on it is right! |
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Post by maggiethecat on Dec 3, 2005 22:59:22 GMT -5
I just caught Sleepers on cable last night. What about scenes with both Ron Eldard and my other favorite, Billy Crudup? That was almost more than I could take and made the rest of the movie endurable. Agree with everything you said -- a real mess of a movie in many respects, and it goes on wa-a-a-a-y too long. Plot holes you could drive a Mack truck through, too. As far as I'm concerned, the movie comes down to that amazing sequence in the bar where Ron and Billy Crudup confront Kevin Bacon's character, the wrap-up scene where the characters are all together again, and the scene where the truth of the reform school is explained to DeNiro, and the camera stays on his face for a long time as he absorbs it all. That said . . . I still don't buy that a "good priest" would swear on a Bible in court, and then lie, lie, lie. Basically? Seriously flawed movie with some lovely work by Ron the Great.  |
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Post by dogma on Dec 4, 2005 2:53:03 GMT -5
the runner is one of my favorite r/e movies,,he just is such a cutie,, ( look at all the screen caps,, ) and at the end,, in the ball park,, how his head is keeping time with the sprinkler he is such a naive person in this movie,, plus being an addictied gambler,, i think for the most part, ,his intentions are never to hurt anyone, ,but he just has problems by getting in too far over his head i would be more offended if i was on a first date,, and walked up to him. like courtney did, ,and here him say over and over,, the f work,, i think the first date would've ended there,, anyone with irritable bowel syndrome can appreciate the first date in the car scene,, it's never hit me quite that hard,, but there have been waaay too many close calls,, and he definately was very upset,, and the ibs could've been just waiting to make it's grand entrance,,  |
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Post by housemouse on Dec 4, 2005 14:01:39 GMT -5
The Runner, update: Kathy, after much deliberation, I decided RE wouldn't have been too embarrassed, if at all, during that scene. He seems to pick his roles so carefully, and according to the minimal number of articles I've read, he tends to roll issues over with the director if he doesn't think a scene works. And being a guy to boot, I'd say he probably just accepted the scene and did his best to show that his character was scared s**tless, literally. I, on the other hand, still find the scene embarrassing. --GB It's been a couple of months since I watched the Runner. Today, though, I was taping it from the DVD to send to a friend. I kept walking in and out of the room (I was doing housework at the time) and had to keep stopping to look. Ron looked really good in this one and I noticed quite a few gestures that he used as Jim Dunbar - I have to watch it again soon! Maybe now that the intial shock of the first date scene has worn off, I won't be so embarassed for Ron. I am sure your take on it is right! Here's the thing about that scene in The Runner. His character was completely freaked out and scared out of his mind. I didn't find it at all embarrassing or even unreal. I actually thought it was pretty genuine. John Goodman's character was a freak. He was a sociopath and Eldard's character ripped him off!! Of course he was frightened enough to defecate in his drawers. It just so happened that the timing could not have been worse (with or without ibs). The only unreal part for me was that Courtney's character was not totally grossed out. The day after I watched The Runner, my boys watched Monsters Inc in the car. I could hear John Goodman's voice but could not see the character. It was very surreal hearing that voice that was so creepy in The Runner playing a furry cute monster!! |
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Post by greenbeing on Dec 4, 2005 14:27:32 GMT -5
I'm still going to have to skip Sleepers. I have a not entirely unreasonable fear of mustaches.
I watched Delivered again last night and I finally noticed the Bible. Modus Operandi. So I'm now thinking originally he had been part of a covert fanatic religious organization at the beginning. Though I'm still undecided about what he did for them, if he was just muscle that wanted to kill people, or if he was actually supposed to kill people and it got out of hand. Shmeep and Kenina, when you see it, I'd like to know if you thought Reed was previously a serial killer of sorts, or if we got to see the first kill.
I liked Reed even better the second time around. So many subtleties.
In the Runner, I didn't find the first date so much unreal as just embarrassing, and I always wonder in situations like that if the writer could have chosen a different path. My problem is I always question the writer... I totally got the point though. A little too literal? Maybe.
I had trouble finding John Goodman scary. I've seen Monsters Inc too many times, and he was in all these Disney movies... If I hadn't known who he was, I think that would have been better for me. I kept thinking he was going to say, Just kidding! His character didn't have the power it should have, to me. I really wanted to be creeped out, but I wasn't, sadly.
--GB
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Post by housemouse on Dec 4, 2005 15:52:29 GMT -5
I'm still going to have to skip Sleepers. I have a not entirely unreasonable fear of mustaches. I watched Delivered again last night and I finally noticed the Bible. Modus Operandi. So I'm now thinking originally he had been part of a covert fanatic religious organization at the beginning. Though I'm still undecided about what he did for them, if he was just muscle that wanted to kill people, or if he was actually supposed to kill people and it got out of hand. Shmeep and Kenina, when you see it, I'd like to know if you thought Reed was previously a serial killer of sorts, or if we got to see the first kill. I liked Reed even better the second time around. So many subtleties. In the Runner, I didn't find the first date so much unreal as just embarrassing, and I always wonder in situations like that if the writer could have chosen a different path. My problem is I always question the writer... I totally got the point though. A little too literal? Maybe. I had trouble finding John Goodman scary. I've seen Monsters Inc too many times, and he was in all these Disney movies... If I hadn't known who he was, I think that would have been better for me. I kept thinking he was going to say, Just kidding! His character didn't have the power it should have, to me. I really wanted to be creeped out, but I wasn't, sadly. --GB I have Delivered but I haven't watched it yet. I also have Myster, Alaska, Death of a Salesman, Sex and the Other Man, The Big Day, and Black Hawk Down which I have not watched yet. As for John Goodman, I think it is a question of which you saw first. I hadn't really seen much of him before The Runner and I had never seen Monsters Inc. I found him rather creepy for sure. |
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Post by minianne on Dec 4, 2005 16:10:53 GMT -5
Mousie...
Tell us why you have this not altogether unreasonable fear of mustaches...
I sense there is a "story" behind that statement...
xoxo
M.
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Post by bjobsessed on Dec 4, 2005 16:14:43 GMT -5
Mouse, what's "The Big Day?"
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Post by bump on Dec 4, 2005 16:42:58 GMT -5
I have Delivered but I haven't watched it yet. I also have Myster, Alaska, Death of a Salesman, Sex and the Other Man, The Big Day, and Black Hawk Down which I have not watched yet. I need to know how you exercise such self-control with a houseful of unwatched Ron movies.  When I was buying them, as soon as they'd arrive in the mail they'd go straight into the DVD player and any other obligations were forgotten. |
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Post by greenbeing on Dec 4, 2005 17:20:18 GMT -5
I have Delivered but I haven't watched it yet. I also have Myster, Alaska, Death of a Salesman, Sex and the Other Man, The Big Day, and Black Hawk Down which I have not watched yet. You haven't watched any of them? I looked up The Big Day and it looks like it has Julianna Margulies, RE's girlfriend. Unless Mouse knows something we don't know. Beware Black Hawk Down! Eeep! And Minianne, it was me who has a fear of mustaches. Maybe I'll start a thread under rants... I've never tried to write this down coherently... --GB |
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Post by kenina on Dec 4, 2005 23:55:52 GMT -5
You haven't watched any of them? I looked up The Big Day and it looks like it has Julianna Margulies, RE's girlfriend. Unless Mouse knows something we don't know. Beware Black Hawk Down! Eeep! And Minianne, it was me who has a fear of mustaches. Maybe I'll start a thread under rants... I've never tried to write this down coherently... --GB I just have to say something in defense of BHD here--I thought it was a wonderfully made movie, though admittedly *very* difficult to watch! I've seen the documentary, since we have the DVD, and it really gives you a respect for the filmmakers and their desire to be as realistic as possible--which I'm sure anyone who watches would agree they were! I also have a different perspective on this movie because I sent it to my husband when he was in Iraq, and he used to show it to arriving soldiers just to scare the s**t out of them (before he asked me to stop sending war movies and send comedies instead!). LOL But seriously, I can tell that he really appreciates that they made the film to honor those who were injured and killed. Anyway, if you can stand the realism and the graphic imagery, I highly recommend BHD. Most of the actors do a fantastic job, our Ron included, of course. That said, I saw Delivered today and really enjoyed it!! Haven't read the comments here on this one, but I was pleasantly surprised. Ron gave an outstanding performance. |
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Post by kenina on Dec 4, 2005 23:58:44 GMT -5
Going back and reading this thread, I realize I didn't answer greenbeing's question--I thought briefly during Delivered whether or not Reed had killed before. It certainly seemed like he was at ease with the whole idea of it, and the execution. But it's hard to tell. They didn't seem to allude to it. I'm leaning toward what we saw being his first murder.
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When I was buying them, as soon as they'd arrive in the mail they'd go straight into the DVD player and any other obligations were forgotten.
