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Post by hoosier on Oct 1, 2005 17:55:02 GMT -5
Taking Karen's classic line from In Your Face, I got to thinking.Three women committed murder in an episode of BJ. I know,I know, the one wife murdered her mother-in-law! Anyhoo, who would you rank the worst?
Mary Beth-Rub a Tub-killed her husband Carl Desmond in cold blood while he was shaving in the shower. Got her lover, her husband's own partner, to dispose of the body and the murder weapon. Blamed the murder on her husband because he kept "pushing her" and was threatening to divorce her even though she was the one having affairs.
Joan Tuxhorn--In Your Face--went bar-hopping to find a guy who happened to look like her husband for insurance scam--lured man to her apartment, got him drunk ,then she or Jerry shot him in the face. Had body cremated so could not get positive id, had professional cleaners clean murder scene that day to remove evidence.
Meg Wheeler--killed mother-in-law and set fire to try and make it look like accident--left as primary care-giver to husband's mother suffering from demetia while he was at work.
They think men are the worse killers--I think women are ususally more cold-blooded. About 20 years ago, a woman in our area killed her husband and put him in the hog lot thinking they would "dispose" the evidence for her. They didn't.
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Post by mlm828 on Oct 1, 2005 18:11:28 GMT -5
This isn't responsive to your post, but I have to add one comment. After Karen delivers that line, a female cop in uniform is walking past in the background -- with a big smile on her face!
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Post by hoosier on Oct 3, 2005 18:02:18 GMT -5
I noticed that! What a great take ;D I didn't notice if any of the guys managed to see that! And I forgot to add Debbie Dyman to that list from Doggone--my favorite episode!!! How could I forget that? Probably because of Jim and Hank and all else went by the wayside  Anyway--Debbie decides to reupholster the sofa. Being helpful,Bud Kessel, boyfriend and second cousin of Sonny, rips the covers off and they find a load of cocaine. They decide to sell it and put word out on the street. Not being very smart, they kind of blab it to anyone. After using who knows how-much coke, Bud decides it all belongs to him since it is his apartment and threatens to cut Debbie out. She hits him with a baseball bat leaving a rather nasty hole and proceeds to go on with the sale.Greed is the root of all evil it seems!. |
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Post by mlm828 on Oct 4, 2005 16:36:57 GMT -5
I put Mary Beth Desmond and Joan Tuxhorn in a tie for the most cold-blooded, because both of their crimes were for financial gain, and both involved careful planning.
As for Meg Wheeler, starting the fire to cover up was pretty cold-blooded, too, but the killing itself may not have been. She could have "snapped" under the strain of being the caregiver for someone with dementia; or she could have planned the whole thing. If the latter, it wasn't a very good plan, since the autopsy quickly and conclusively established Sylvia was dead before the fire.
From what Debbie told Karen, she bashed Bud's head in with a baseball bat because he was going to cut her out of the coke deal. We have no information suggesting mitigating circumstances (such as self-defense or "heat of passion"), and I wouldn't consider being high on coke a mitigating circumstance. Based on what we know, I'd have to put her a close second to Mary Beth and Joan. She's not tied for first, because she doesn't seem to have planned the killing. Incidentally, I have always wondered why Karen tells Debbie, at the beginning of their conversation, that they're not looking at her as a criminal. Huh? She went to the hospital to talk to Debbie, because they suspected her of killing Bud. However, Karen made this statement before Debbie told her what happened. And perhaps she just said it to get Debbie to talk.
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Post by hoosier on Oct 5, 2005 17:56:27 GMT -5
I agree. You seem to have three kinds of murder cases--the crime of passion, the crime of opportunity and the premeditated.
To me, Meg Wheeler's is a crime of passion. She evidently didn't have a record (at least that we know of), she hadn't planned it, it was spur of the moment. Its doubtful she would murder someone else. Something happened. She said she was tired and wanted to sleep and Sylvia was either loud or abusive ,something. It seemed she was the sole caregiver. Vic brought his mother into their home and didn't offer her any help or even see that his mom went to adult daycare--anything to give her a break. She murdered Sylvia--maybe while just trying to shut her up. To cover it, she set the fire--also spur of the moment.
You could argue thatit was a crime of opportunity for both Mary Beth and Debbie Dyman. After a couple of days of coke use, Debbie was five sheets to the wind and when Bud threatened to cut her out, she grabbed the bat and the rest is history. With Mary Beth,maybe she and Carl argued, he went to take a shower and she just went for it. He evidently didn't see his wife as a threat.
Premeditated is definitely Joan Tuxhorn. She looked for someone who resembled Jerry, got him home, got him drunk and I wouldn't have been surprised that she shot him. Jerry might have planned it but I feel Joan executed it. She is very cold and calculating. Mary Beth could have planned to kill Carl, after all she did call Eric and have him come over. She needed someone to dispose of the body and the gun and who better than your ex-lover who still wanted to be with you!
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Post by carl1951 on Nov 22, 2005 22:09:57 GMT -5
Does anyone remember the Alfred Hitchcock Television eipsode when the wife had beat her husband to death using a frozen lamb chop.
She cooked the chop and fed it to the detectives investigating the case.
She got away with the murder; and the detectives had a good dinner.
It was black and white 50's T.V.
Later, Carl
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Post by rducasey on Nov 22, 2005 22:51:44 GMT -5
Carl I remember that one. It was a leg of lamb and at the end, one of the detectives says something about "The clue could be right under our noses" as they are eating the leg of lamb. I always loved Alfred Hitchcock.
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Post by Eyphur on Nov 22, 2005 23:55:11 GMT -5
The episode is called "Lamb to the Slaughter" and is based upon a short story by Roald Dahl.
Edited to correct a typo.
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Post by greenbeing on Nov 23, 2005 0:35:33 GMT -5
We had a very long discussion here at work one day about the best way to kill someone (never make a med student mad--their professors tell them all sorts of horrible things to do to their patients), and someone brought up that episode with the frozen lamb. Women are ruthless!
--GB
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Post by hoosier on Nov 29, 2005 18:02:29 GMT -5
Doing this survival game got me thinking about Marybeth--not a delightful task but I have come to the conclusion that that woman must be an Amazon.  Not only did she shoot Carl but she had to get his body out of the tub, wash and dry it, dress it and wrap it in the plastic tarp. And he seemed to be a good size fellow! Then she had to clean the bathroom and call Eric and somehow convince him to dispose of his partner's body and the murder weapon. She also had to buy the tarp and have a gun with a silencer since living in an apartment building the neighbors would surely notice a gunshot, though not wanting to bad mouth NYC you wonder sometimes if they notice all that much! Not a nice lady at all!!!! |
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Not only did she shoot Carl but she had to get his body out of the tub, wash and dry it, dress it and wrap it in the plastic tarp. And he seemed to be a good size fellow! Then she had to clean the bathroom and call Eric and somehow convince him to dispose of his partner's body and the murder weapon. She also had to buy the tarp and have a gun with a silencer since living in an apartment building the neighbors would surely notice a gunshot, though not wanting to bad mouth NYC you wonder sometimes if they notice all that much! Not a nice lady at all!!!!