Jim and Karen

[doobrah]

bjobsessed said:

I'm watching Dance With Me right now. I think I'll have to stop it and listen to Marlon's Brando. This whole conversation is news to me.

Hint: turn on your captions -- even if you can't hear the dialogue it shows up on the captions.

I never really heard the exchange between Karen & Jim at the beginning of Marlon's Brando, but it's in the captions.

[housemouse]

I heard it! There is dialog there! I didn't even have to listen at "blast" level. Once I knew it was there I could hear it pretty easily. Go figure! Very cool!

[Eyphur]

I listened to the audio discription of Marlon's Brando last night on my computer and I could hear the dialogue there with the volume turned up as high as possible. I couldn't really make out what was being said, even with already knowing. Does that make sense? I got up way to early this morning.

[bjobsessed]

doobrah said:

bjobsessed said:

I'm watching Dance With Me right now. I think I'll have to stop it and listen to Marlon's Brando. This whole conversation is news to me.

Hint: turn on your captions -- even if you can't hear the dialogue it shows up on the captions.

I never really heard the exchange between Karen & Jim at the beginning of Marlon's Brando, but it's in the captions.

The cations don't work on my dvd's so I had to turn the volume up. I heard it too! Not that I didn't believe you guys, but it's just so cool to hear it for myself. Who would have thought that six or seven months later I'd be hearing something for the first time.

[hoosier]

I'm glad I'm not hearing things One time we had the closed caption on--which helps a lot when the dialogue is so low. You know Christie couldn't hear them but I wonder why they torture us!!!

[hoosier]

I forgot to add my comments on Jim and Karen. She went from clearly skeptical to admiration. I loved how in Under the Gun when Vince was ragging Jim about carrying a gun she told him 'he's a detective!', end of story. Kind of says it all.

[mlm828]

One thing I have always liked about Karen is her refusal to accept evasion from Jim when there is something she feels she really needs to know. One example is the scene in "Seoul Man" mentioned in my original post. Here are two others.

In "Marlon's Brando," everyone is taken aback at Jim's outburst at the crime scene about the doorman's failure to do his job and protect the victim. Back at the squad, Karen follows up, telling Jim he's being "touchy."



Jim responds by telling her he'll "tone it down," but that's not good enough for Karen. She persists, asking him if something is bothering him, and she gets him to admit that the crime scene put a "nasty image" in his head. At that point, she backs off, having found out what is bothering Jim (even though we know that's not the full extent of it). She has also learned, perhaps for the first time, that Jim's mental images of crime scenes and victims may be as bad as, or even worse than, what she sees.

The second example comes from "Up on the Roof," while Karen and Jim are covering the fire escape at Titus's apartment building. Karen was present earlier in the day, when Marty asked Jim the reason for the "bad blood" between himself and Terry, and Jim gave a non-answer, telling Marty, "That was a bad day -- for everyone." Not being one to accept such evasion, Karen asks Jim what really happened at the bank. He tries a non-answer again, saying, "I got shot." Karen persists, pointing out that she is his partner and deserves to know.



With a pained expression on his face (so very well done by Ron Eldard), Jim finally gives an answer and tells her Terry maybe didn't "step up" as much as he could have.

[bjobsessed]

Thank you so much for that last screen cap. It never ceases to amaze me how well our favourite blond can portray any emotion--body language, facial expression--doesn't matter.

[hoosier]

I think Karen has been somewhat leary of telling Jim any personal details since the beginning--her friendship with Anne Donnelly and her own "bad history" with men--not that I think she was thinking of having any kind of relationship with him!!! Case in point--not wanting to tell him the color of her eyes in the Pilot and later in Past Imperfect when Jim was surprised to learn she was half Puerto Rican and her comment "you learn something new every day!" She has played it close to the vest!