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Post by mlm828 on Mar 29, 2008 17:02:55 GMT -5
To those who have been looking forward to this week, your wait is over.  It's week four of the re-watch, and time for "Up on the Roof."  |
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Post by maggiethecat on Mar 31, 2008 18:49:20 GMT -5
Oh, this is killing me! Because of work pressures I missed the first three -- and I swear, as God is my witness, Miss Scarlettt, I will catch up -- but I'm double damned if I'll miss "Up on the Roof." I could cheat and just riff off old memories but I'm looking forward to a re-viewing. Terry and Jim, Jim and Terry. Glen Semple and the first hint that Karen was on Jim's team. Watch this space . . . I'll be ba-a-a-ack. |
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Post by hoosier on Apr 1, 2008 18:48:33 GMT -5
For the first time, I found myself wondering if the gun Terry used up on the roof was the same one Jim took from him at the bank and used to take down the bad guy. I assume that it was. Did it even cross Jim's mind?
The dream sequence almost seemed like a premonition. Jim hadn't had anything to do with Terry since the shooting until he was confronted by him his first day back to work then , bam, here he is again, the very day he has the dream. It was like he was being forced to finally come to terms about his feelings toward the guy! Plus, his outburst in his session with Galloway (just can't help lovin' the good dr though he majorly screwed this one up!) where he blurted out the fact that he felt Terry had "blew it at the bank". Was this the first time he actually verbalized it? When Christie asked him if he was finally done with Terry, he shrugs. You can't turn your emotions off that easily but at least he is being honest. Too bad they didn't have more sessions with Galloway where they could have delved deeper into his relationship with his ex-partner.
Jim's facial expressions reveal so much. I have always loved the scene at the hospital when, as he turns away, his smile disappears and his revulsion is almost plain to see. Terry had refused to come clean, chosing to stick to his story but was Jim also mad at himself for not confronting Terry right then and there with the fact that he had heard his (Terry's) gun fire first? Did he really want to believe that, regardless of how he felt about him, Terry would not lie about something as important as this?
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Post by mlm828 on Apr 1, 2008 20:21:21 GMT -5
For the first time, I found myself wondering if the gun Terry used up on the roof was the same one Jim took from him at the bank and used to take down the bad guy. I assume that it was. Did it even cross Jim's mind? I'm pretty sure it was the same gun. On the roof, after the shooting, Jim asks Terry if he's still carrying "that nine millimeter," and Terry says he is. I'm not sure, however, that Jim is thinking about having used Terry's gun at the bank. Rather, I think he asked Terry about the gun, to help him interpret what he had heard and to determine who fired first on the roof. Plus, his outburst in his session with Galloway (just can't help lovin' the good dr though he majorly screwed this one up!) where he blurted out the fact that he felt Terry had "blew it at the bank". Was this the first time he actually verbalized it? Based on his conversation with Christie at the end of the episode, Jim must have talked to her about what happened at the bank. |
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Post by rducasey on Apr 2, 2008 6:15:03 GMT -5
Rather, I think he asked Terry about the gun, to help him interpret what he had heard and to determine who fired first on the roof. I agree. He wanted to be sure he was still carrying the same gun so as to match up the sounds. That is interesting that it is the same gun that Jim used at the bank. I have not had time yet to do the rewatch, and maybe it's "been too long "since I saw this but now I am confused...so what did Terry do?....shoot his own gun, then shoot himself with Titus's gun? Is it just that he lied and said that Titus shot first that had Jim suspicious. After all Karen did say later.."What does it matter, Terry got shot." And where did they find Titus' gun? Perhaps I should just do the rewatch, but this has been "banging around in my head". Would it have worked in Terry's favor if he had said, "I fired a warning shot, and he then shot me", or would that be something a cop would/should not do? If Terry had Titus' gun, why didn't he just shoot himself, and be done with it? Why did he feel it necessary to fire his own gun? So now I am "forced" to do the rewatch. Oh darn! |
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Post by hoosier on Apr 2, 2008 18:53:25 GMT -5
Plus, his outburst in his session with Galloway (just can't help lovin' the good dr though he majorly screwed this one up!) where he blurted out the fact that he felt Terry had "blew it at the bank". Was this the first time he actually verbalized it? Based on his conversation with Christie at the end of the episode, Jim must have talked to her about what happened at the bank. He had to have told Christie what had happened but how much had he told her? If it was common knowledge what Terry had or hadn't done at the bank, wouldn't Christie have wondered why Terry hadn't been reprimanded at the very least. Jim kept his cool until Galloway inadvertently called Terry his "partner" then he nearly had an emotional meltdown. He even left before the session was over, telling Galloway "they had to be done now" and practically running out the door. That is why I wondered if he had told anyone what he really thought about the matter. |
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Post by mlm828 on Apr 2, 2008 20:21:03 GMT -5
I am confused...so what did Terry do?....shoot his own gun, then shoot himself with Titus's gun? Yes. Is it just that he lied and said that Titus shot first that had Jim suspicious. After all Karen did say later.."What does it matter, Terry got shot." Yes, I think it's the fact that Terry lied about who shot first that was troubling to Jim. As I recall, he says as much to Karen. Even though Jim seems to accept Karen's explanation of why Terry lied, he obviously thinks there's more to it than that. And where did they find Titus' gun? Somewhere on the roof, probably near the spot where Terry said Titus jumped to the other roof. Presumably Terry threw or placed it there before anyone else got up to the roof. Would it have worked in Terry's favor if he had said, "I fired a warning shot, and he then shot me", or would that be something a cop would/should not do? If Terry had Titus' gun, why didn't he just shoot himself, and be done with it? Why did he feel it necessary to fire his own gun? I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I don't think firing "warning shots" is something cops generally do. As to why Terry fired his own gun, I think he was improvising. He could have come up with a story about Titus shooting him that didn't involve him firing his own gun, but he didn't have a lot of time to think things through. It's also possible Terry fired at Titus while Titus was running away, and that's what gave him the idea of using Titus's gun to shoot himself. So now I am "forced" to do the rewatch. Oh darn! I fail to see a problem here. |
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Post by hoosier on Apr 3, 2008 18:50:46 GMT -5
Yes, I think it's the fact that Terry lied about who shot first that was troubling to Jim. As I recall, he says as much to Karen. Even though Jim seems to accept Karen's explanation of why Terry lied, he obviously thinks there's more to it than that. quote] Terry could have easily said that Titus aimed the gun at him and he would have been justified in shooting first believing his life was in imminent danger, right? It could have also explained why he was just hit "in the meat of the shoulder". Since he had already been shot at once, Titus was more interested in escaping instead of getting involved in a gun fight. Another instance to show that what Terry did was spur of the moment? |
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Post by mlm828 on Apr 3, 2008 22:04:42 GMT -5
Yes, I think it's the fact that Terry lied about who shot first that was troubling to Jim. As I recall, he says as much to Karen. Even though Jim seems to accept Karen's explanation of why Terry lied, he obviously thinks there's more to it than that. Terry could have easily said that Titus aimed the gun at him and he would have been justified in shooting first believing his life was in imminent danger, right? Yes, Terry could have claimed that, and there's a very good chance it would have worked. I think one reason Jim was troubled about Terry's lie about who fired first is that it was an unnecessary lie. Terry claimed he was shot by Titus, a suspect in a double homicide with a "pretty bad" rap sheet. Titus's gun, which had been fired, is found on the roof, and it matches the gun used in the two homicides. Under these circumstances, I doubt Terry would have had much to worry about, even if he said he fired first. He wasn't required to stand there and let Titus shoot him, before he fired his own gun. I think Jim alludes to this when he tells Karen he can't figure out why Terry would lie about who fired first. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 21, 2008 4:20:54 GMT -5
Jim's facial expressions reveal so much. I have always loved the scene at the hospital when, as he turns away, his smile disappears and his revulsion is almost plain to see. Another example is in the opening scene when Christie wakes Jim. He wakes up and blinks rapidly trying to process the fact that in his dream he could see and when awake he can't. That always stands out to me because you can see the confusion in his face followed by a sigh of relief that it was a dream but also realizing that he is blind. Great acting.  I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I don't think firing "warning shots" is something cops generally do. I'm in no position to correct you, obviously  , but in Denmark the police are required to fire warning shots unless they are in imminent danger. So I've always assumed Jim got suspicious because Terry shot first and lied about it. If he had said, he shot a warning shot and then Titus fired at him, the story would have added up and Jim would never had questioned it. As it was, he was puzzled because Terry lied. Terry could have easily said that Titus aimed the gun at him and he would have been justified in shooting first believing his life was in imminent danger, right? Yes, Terry could have claimed that, and there's a very good chance it would have worked. I think one reason Jim was troubled about Terry's lie about who fired first is that it was an unnecessary lie. Terry claimed he was shot by Titus, a suspect in a double homicide with a "pretty bad" rap sheet. Titus's gun, which had been fired, is found on the roof, and it matches the gun used in the two homicides. Under these circumstances, I doubt Terry would have had much to worry about, even if he said he fired first. He wasn't required to stand there and let Titus shoot him, before he fired his own gun. I think Jim alludes to this when he tells Karen he can't figure out why Terry would lie about who fired first. Exactly!!! One thing I love about this show is the people I love to hate. ;D One of them is of course the infamous Glenn Semple.... The "Black on black" comment is horrible but his "Out walking your dog?" when he meets Jim at the hospital is plain ridiculous!!! What was he thinking?  Makes me laugh and curl up my toes in embarrassment at the same time.   I have a question about this:  Why is the room filled with balloons?? I know he got them with the flowers and the "Get-well" cards but is it customary to give balloons to a detective who's been shot?? I'm used to balloons being a kids thing so I would never consider giving an adult balloons. Do you do that? Or is it someone in the props department gone overboard?? - Chris  |
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Post by rducasey on Apr 21, 2008 6:45:13 GMT -5
I have a question about this: Why is the room filled with balloons?? I know he got them with the flowers and the "Get-well" cards but is it customary to give balloons to a detective who's been shot?? I'm used to balloons being a kids thing so I would never consider giving an adult balloons. Do you do that? Or is it someone in the props department gone overboard?? - Chris I never noticed all the balloons in the room (are you sure Kathy didn't tamper with that screencap with her photoshop features). I would go with the "someone in the props department going overboard". In my opinion "well wishers" would not choose a balloon bouquet to send to a man recuperating from a gunshot, a NYPD detective at that. A young person, teenager even,home from the hospital yes, but a man like Terry shot in the line of duty, I don't think so. Speaking of this scene, I am always uncomfortable about Jim going in without Hank or his cane. Would he not have had his cane out at least as he reached the door? That may have prevented Annie from dragging him across the room. And also as he leaves I always wonder why Karen doesn't notice how the door slams so quickly behind him. He obviously has been kicked out. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 21, 2008 7:36:00 GMT -5
I have a question about this: Why is the room filled with balloons?? I know he got them with the flowers and the "Get-well" cards but is it customary to give balloons to a detective who's been shot?? I'm used to balloons being a kids thing so I would never consider giving an adult balloons. Do you do that? Or is it someone in the props department gone overboard?? - Chris I never noticed all the balloons in the room (are you sure Kathy didn't tamper with that screencap with her photoshop features). Maybe that's it. I would go with the "someone in the props department going overboard". In my opinion "well wishers" would not choose a balloon bouquet to send to a man recuperating from a gunshot, a NYPD detective at that. A young person, teenager even,home from the hospital yes, but a man like Terry shot in the line of duty, I don't think so. I'm so glad you said that!!!! ;D Speaking of this scene, I am always uncomfortable about Jim going in without Hank or his cane. Would he not have had his cane out at least as he reached the door? That may have prevented Annie from dragging him across the room. And also as he leaves I always wonder why Karen doesn't notice how the door slams so quickly behind him. He obviously has been kicked out. You're right, why no cane?? Except for the fact that it seems as if he's not that happy about using it I can't see why not?? Maybe he thinks he knows Terry's place well enogh to navigate his living room without a cane. They used to be friends and he's even the Godfather of Terry's son so maybe he's been there many times in the past. But what if Annie had re-decorated the entire place, something women often do??? - Chris |
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Post by inuvik on Apr 21, 2008 10:06:48 GMT -5
I never noticed all the balloons in the room (are you sure Kathy didn't tamper with that screencap with her photoshop features). I would go with the "someone in the props department going overboard". In my opinion "well wishers" would not choose a balloon bouquet to send to a man recuperating from a gunshot, a NYPD detective at that. A young person, teenager even,home from the hospital yes, but a man like Terry shot in the line of duty, I don't think so. Speaking of this scene, I am always uncomfortable about Jim going in without Hank or his cane. Would he not have had his cane out at least as he reached the door? That may have prevented Annie from dragging him across the room. And also as he leaves I always wonder why Karen doesn't notice how the door slams so quickly behind him. He obviously has been kicked out. I think balloons are reasonable. Adults here do give balloons do each other--not so much the ordinary balloons, but the foil ones are popular and they have messages on them. They are sold everwhere here--dollar stores, grocery stores, etc. Also, given that Terry has a kid who is probably sad over dad's injury, I think people would give him balloons knowing that the kid would like playing with them. |
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Post by inuvik on Apr 21, 2008 10:07:40 GMT -5
Jim's facial expressions reveal so much. I have always loved the scene at the hospital when, as he turns away, his smile disappears and his revulsion is almost plain to see. Another example is in the opening scene when Christie wakes Jim. He wakes up and blinks rapidly trying to process the fact that in his dream he could see and when awake he can't. That always stands out to me because you can see the confusion in his face followed by a sigh of relief that it was a dream but also realizing that he is blind. Great acting. Never really noticed that. Guess now I'll have to rewatch! |
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Post by Chris on Apr 21, 2008 12:51:48 GMT -5
I think balloons are reasonable. Adults here do give balloons do each other--not so much the ordinary balloons, but the foil ones are popular and they have messages on them. They are sold everwhere here--dollar stores, grocery stores, etc. Come to think about it, they do here too. Mostly lovers...  I think they are a bit corny. Might be because they are sold at country fairs and amusement parks here. Also, given that Terry has a kid who is probably sad over dad's injury, I think people would give him balloons knowing that the kid would like playing with them. Didn't think about that, but you do have a point about the balloons in light of Terry having a child. - Chris |
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It's week four of the re-watch, and time for "Up on the Roof."
, but in Denmark the police are required to fire warning shots unless they are in imminent danger. So I've always assumed Jim got suspicious because Terry shot first and lied about it. If he had said, he shot a warning shot and then Titus fired at him, the story would have added up and Jim would never had questioned it. As it was, he was puzzled because Terry lied.
Makes me laugh and curl up my toes in embarrassment at the same time. 
