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Post by hoosier on Sept 26, 2006 18:11:33 GMT -5
Back to the issue of Kellerman mentioned earlier (did the gov. know him), it was clear that he had never met him before they were introduced by Sarah because of his reaction upon seeing him in D.C.Wonder how much he found out about him, especially since he told Sarah that she was right? And how did Kellerman get back to Chicago so fast to conveniently intercept dear old dad's phone call? I'm starting to need a map for this show. There are so many states, and I only have a hazy idea where they are (I might know something is sort of west, sort of east, or sort of in the middle--bad, I know. But hey--I'm sure I'm not the only non-American viewer with this problem!)  Anyway, I figured Chicago and Washington were close. Perhaps he has access to private, superfast jets in the FBI? We also don't know how soon it was--it may have been the next day or two when dad phoned Sarah. Thats true. I assumed he called her the moment he was free because he was really shocked. By the way, Chicago is in Illinois which shares Indiana's western border. Both states share a common shoreline on Lake Michigan. We aren't all that far from Canada. I live 3-4 hours from the Windy City but could cross the border into Illinois in about 30 minutes tops. I have no idea how far Chicago is from Washington,maybe someone else does. |
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Post by shmeep on Oct 3, 2006 14:48:14 GMT -5
"That picture makes me look like a soc-i-o-path!"
I know it's wrong to love T-Bag so much, but...I can't help it. I really hope he doesn't get killed off. I wouldn't mind if he were to be recaptured, but not killed. I still want to see him from time to time. My husband can do a really creepy impersonation of him that makes me want to flee the room.
Last night was good. I saw the Tweener fake-out coming--although I didn't know he would be showing up at his little girlfriend's house--but I didn't know that Mahone was so EVIL! I was hoping he would be a bit more complex than that but...who are the "they" to whom he referred? Is he somehow a part of the conspiracy too or is he talking about the voices in his head? It would be really interesting if someone within the conspiracy had something to hold over him--like a kidnapped wife or child--and was compelling him to do certain awful acts. Or he could just be nuts. Poor Tweener! I guess he never forgave himself for being such a rat in prison. Too bad the others won't know what he did for them.
And what's up with Sucre? I really didn't see that coming. He was always the sweetheart of the bunch so his little stunt at the end was not at all what I was expecting. I guess nothing can ever be too easy for Michael. I hope Linc is fully aware of the trap set for him and that he'll be able to think of some clever way to get to LJ without getting nabbed, but the odds of him coming up with such a plan without access to Michael's smarts seems unlikely. Oh well.
Most intriguing to me at present is the sudden heart Kellerman seems to have grown. Or not. When Don Yun told him that "everyone" who knew about the president and the conspiracy is being "taken care of," that alone should have been enough to make Kellerman--no longer in Caroline's inner circle--fear for his life. To hear Sarah spoken of in the past tense will undoubtedly make him rush out to save her. It will be to save himself, I'm sure, but they'll somehow end up keeping each other alive. If Sarah is the key to getting Linc and Kellerman is the key to Sarah...I'm sure he'll make it work to his advantage somehow. And speaking of keys...any thoughts as to what that weird key that fell off the dead governor will unlock?
Haywire...his little antics just make me happy. While sitting in a boat he gets the idea to sail through the Great Lakes out to the ocean and to Holland--but it never occurs to him to steal the boat. No, he'll make a raft out of twigs found on the shore. I like his little doggy friend, but feel sorry for the owner. I'm really glad the dog's love of beef jerky prevented Haywire from brutally killing the little creature.
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Post by inuvik on Oct 3, 2006 16:10:48 GMT -5
Poor Tweener! I guess he never forgave himself for being such a rat in prison. Too bad the others won't know what he did for them. They might. I'm sure they will see on the news that he is killed. And they know from the cop's radio that he was captured, so they will put two and two together once they are not caught. I was so surprised that Michael didn't suggest to Linc that it could be a trap! Seemed obvious to me, and you'd think Mike would have thought it too. The question of the hour! No idea. Unless it's the key to the "dead" VP's place? Perhaps the gov took it before being killed? Or maybe it just fell out of the killer's pocket in a struggle? Doesn't really look like a housekey. But what the bleep is up with him? Why does he want to go to Holland anyway? Is this guy totally out to lunch? A colleague thinks he's not, that it's a ruse and he's actually the smartest of the bunch. Who knows. This guy was in the psych ward, so I guess anything is possible. |
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Post by mlm828 on Oct 3, 2006 20:15:05 GMT -5
"That picture makes me look like a soc-i-o-path!" I know it's wrong to love T-Bag so much, but...I can't help it. I really hope he doesn't get killed off. I know what you mean. The character creeps me out big-time, but Robert Knepper does such an awesome job in the role, I'd hate to see him go. Still, his references to going to Thailand (with its awful child-sex industry) were sooo creepy. Last night was good. I saw the Tweener fake-out coming--although I didn't know he would be showing up at his little girlfriend's house--but I didn't know that Mahone was so EVIL! I was hoping he would be a bit more complex than that but...who are the "they" to whom he referred? Is he somehow a part of the conspiracy too or is he talking about the voices in his head? It would be really interesting if someone within the conspiracy had something to hold over him--like a kidnapped wife or child--and was compelling him to do certain awful acts. Or he could just be nuts. Poor Tweener! I guess he never forgave himself for being such a rat in prison. Too bad the others won't know what he did for them. RIP, Tweener. He never really had a chance. I'm not sure that Mahone has been drawn into the conspiracy -- how does killing Tweener assist the conspiracy? I wonder, however, if his questionable shooting of Tweener will give the conspirators leverage over him and compel him to do awful acts. But on the other hand, he's already doing everything he can to catch Michael -- what else do the conspirators want him to do? I do think his shooting of Tweener is likely to be questioned, and there will be repercussions -- I just have no idea what they will be. And what's up with Sucre? I really didn't see that coming. He was always the sweetheart of the bunch so his little stunt at the end was not at all what I was expecting. It could simply be Sucre being stupidly impulsive, which seems to be his m.o. Some people at the TWoP board have suggested he and Michael came up with a scheme to cut C-Note and T-Bag out of the money, but I'm not sure when they would have had a chance to come up with such a plan. Most intriguing to me at present is the sudden heart Kellerman seems to have grown. Or not. When Don Yun told him that "everyone" who knew about the president and the conspiracy is being "taken care of," that alone should have been enough to make Kellerman--no longer in Caroline's inner circle--fear for his life. To hear Sarah spoken of in the past tense will undoubtedly make him rush out to save her. It will be to save himself, I'm sure, but they'll somehow end up keeping each other alive. If Sarah is the key to getting Linc and Kellerman is the key to Sarah...I'm sure he'll make it work to his advantage somehow. And speaking of keys...any thoughts as to what that weird key that fell off the dead governor will unlock? I think Kellerman has realized that he knows too much and has become expendable. I wouldn't be surprised to see him help Sara, but if he does, I think his primary motivation will be self-preservation. About the drugs and paraphernalia Sara finds on her coffee table -- does anyone else think they may be there for the purpose of "staging" a scene somehow? Edited to add: He may also help Sara for the time being, because he still believes she can lead him to Michael and Linc. He may think he can somehow get back into Caroline's inner circle (and save himself) by accomplishing this. But if this is the case, I wonder how he will be able to persuade Sara to trust him. After all, her father was killed (she believes) shortly after warning her about "Lance." To me, the pivotal moment of the episode -- and maybe a pivotal moment in the series -- is the scene where Michael verbalizes his realization that he's crossed a line and can never go back. I can't help wondering how this will affect his future actions. |
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Post by hoosier on Oct 4, 2006 18:03:45 GMT -5
About the drugs and paraphernalia Sara finds on her coffee table -- does anyone else think they may be there for the purpose of "staging" a scene somehow? quote] A "scene" where the cops conveniently come, find the drugs and arrest her again? I wondered if they were hoping that she might actually use the drugs, OD out of shock and grief and take care of their little problem on her own? |
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Post by mlm828 on Oct 4, 2006 18:27:48 GMT -5
About the drugs and paraphernalia Sara finds on her coffee table -- does anyone else think they may be there for the purpose of "staging" a scene somehow? A "scene" where the cops conveniently come, find the drugs and arrest her again? I wondered if they were hoping that she might actually use the drugs, OD out of shock and grief and take care of their little problem on her own? It's possible they were put there to tempt her to OD on her own, or so that the cops can conveniently find her in possession of drugs. However, I'm not sure how arresting Sara again would fit into the overall story, and I'd be quite surprised if the writers killed off her character at this point. When watching the scene, I had the impression someone is in her apartment, which could indicate there is a plan to kill her and make it look like an "accidental OD." I don't think that's actually going to happen, although with all of the recent twists and turns, we can't rule anything out. If that was the plan, and it's foiled, it wil be interesting to see what role (if any) Kellerman has in those events. |
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Post by inuvik on Oct 4, 2006 18:39:56 GMT -5
When watching the scene, I had the impression someone is in her apartment, which could indicate there is a plan to kill her and make it look like an "accidental OD." I don't think that's actually going to happen, although with all of the recent twists and turns, we can't rule anything out. Well said! I totally agree. |
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Post by shmeep on Oct 5, 2006 8:39:28 GMT -5
It could simply be Sucre being stupidly impulsive, which seems to be his m.o. Some people at the TWoP board have suggested he and Michael came up with a scheme to cut C-Note and T-Bag out of the money, but I'm not sure when they would have had a chance to come up with such a plan. Interesting. I hadn't considered that theory. I don't think that's what's going on here, though. Sucre didn't even know about the money until after they escaped. I don't even think he was one of the ones to overhear Westmoreland say where it was and how much there really was. Remember in the premiere? He looked genuinely shocked when he found out about it. Michael never let him in on any of the pertinent details as they went along. He just followed because he's a little dim and idealistic and he really believed that if he could only escape, he and Maricruz would have a beautiful life together--on the lam. I always felt kind of bad that he was even involved in the plot, since he was so close to finishing his sentence. I guess everything Prego-cop told him struck a nerve and now he's out for himself. To me, the pivotal moment of the episode -- and maybe a pivotal moment in the series -- is the scene where Michael verbalizes his realization that he's crossed a line and can never go back. I can't help wondering how this will affect his future actions. Well said. The hat is indeed over the wall and he'll always be a con. They handled that moment beautifully. A "scene" where the cops conveniently come, find the drugs and arrest her again? I wondered if they were hoping that she might actually use the drugs, OD out of shock and grief and take care of their little problem on her own? It's possible they were put there to tempt her to OD on her own, or so that the cops can conveniently find her in possession of drugs. However, I'm not sure how arresting Sara again would fit into the overall story, and I'd be quite surprised if the writers killed off her character at this point. When watching the scene, I had the impression someone is in her apartment, which could indicate there is a plan to kill her and make it look like an "accidental OD." I don't think that's actually going to happen, although with all of the recent twists and turns, we can't rule anything out. If that was the plan, and it's foiled, it wil be interesting to see what role (if any) Kellerman has in those events. I have no doubt that the drugs are there to set a "scene," but no one is expecting her to just off herself. Someone is there and they are going to try to force drugs into her and somehow make it look like she OD'd again. The fact that Don Yun spoke of Sara to Kellerman in the past tense made it very clear that her murder was either already taken care of or was about to be. If they can make it look like the governor hung himself, staging a little overdose is nothing to pros like them. It seems obvious that Kellerman is going to have some very interesting role to play, now that he's expendable. I wonder if he'll eventually even switch sides altogether and help Michael and Linc. I know that anything can happen on a show like this, but it sure is a fun ride. I can't believe I have to wait three weeks to see what happens next. |
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Post by hoosier on Oct 6, 2006 17:24:43 GMT -5
Thanks Shmeep and mlm for some clarification. My local Fox network has a tendency to phase out with lots of snow and very loud buzzing.  I was unable to watch Bones this week because of that (watched Jericho instead) and almost gave up on PB this week but hung in there hoping it would clear up. I had wondered if Sarah did hear something--I, of course, could not. Also. who is the female cop tied up in the house? Is she the woman's daughter--thought heard the word mom--or was she just checking something out? I could see the picture but not hear much and I can't lip read and cc doesn't work on that channel for some reason. It appears that I missed a lot this week being only able to read facial expressions and gestures! Almost like watching a silent movie! |
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Post by inuvik on Oct 6, 2006 17:26:28 GMT -5
Also. who is the female cop tied up in the house? Is she the woman's daughter--thought heard the word mom--or was she just checking something out? Yup, she's the daughter. Just coming by for a visit. She just happens to be a cop too. |
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Post by awlrite4now on Oct 6, 2006 18:14:30 GMT -5
Also. who is the female cop tied up in the house? Is she the woman's daughter--thought heard the word mom--or was she just checking something out? Yup, she's the daughter. Just coming by for a visit. She just happens to be a cop too. I thought maybe the daughter lived there, too, because her medication was in the drawer in the kitchen. Not something you would normally do unless you were there a lot? Or maybe she doesn't want the force knowing she's pregnant yet, and that's why the meds are at her mom's house? |
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Post by mlm828 on Oct 25, 2006 15:20:13 GMT -5
Did anyone else catch Monday's episode?
There were some "interesting" twists and turns -- some expected, some not.
Sucre and Michael did have a plan to make off with the money and cut the others out (especially T-Bag). Too bad they forgot T-Bag, despicable as he is, is very smart when it comes to looking out for T-Bag.
Speaking of T-Bag, Michael's apology for springing him from prison seems too little, too late, especially since T-Bag foiled the plan to leave him at the house for the cops. I only hope T-Bag's former lady friend (or her local cops) figured out she was at risk, once T-Bag escaped, and only the cops will be there when he shows up at her house. Unfortunately, T-Bag is also smart enough to figure this out, so I'm sure he'll try something sneaky.
Mahone has been blackmailed into working for the Prez or the Company or both! (I'm not sure if the Prez and the Company are still working together). In hindsight, I suppose we could have figured that out from his last comment to Tweener -- something along the lines of "I don't want you dead, but they do." And it looks like Kellerman is still on board with the conspiracy after all. I thought he'd become expendable and therefore vulnerable, but he definitely put "Don Yun" in his place. I'm not sure how Kellerman regained his position in the conspiracy, but it appears he has. And he's still as much of a bastard as we thought. "They all die" sounds very ominous. I wonder if the creators of the show would really go there.
I loved it that Linc knew LJ's release was a trap, and he didn't rush in blindly but rather made a plan that worked. When not addled by drugs (isn't that what got him into trouble in the first place?), he's just as smart as his little brother.
Regarding Sara and the planted drugs, shmeep's earlier post was basically correct. The plan was to try to force her to take the drugs as the only alternative to being killed some other way. Sara seems to be more adept at self-preservation than Veronica, but why, oh why, would she trust anyone at this point -- even her late father's closest aide?
As for Sucre -- did Maricruz really leave Hector standing at the altar, or is she the bait in a trap for him?
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Post by inuvik on Oct 25, 2006 15:50:05 GMT -5
I saw it MLM. Lots of great twists and turns! I hadn't thought that maybe Sucre was being baited too. Good point.
Nothing really to add. Except I couldn't really figure out how Sucre was trapped. Did anyone see? I couldn't see much, the water was so murky.
I am mighty PO'd that the scummiest character has the money. Life is so unfair! You can bet he won't send any to DB's daughter. I hope he gets caught.
As to deaths, I don't think they can kill everyone. We wouldn't have a season 3 then! Maybe they will catch them all, throw them back in prison, and then they can escape again. Ha!
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Post by mlm828 on Oct 25, 2006 17:50:30 GMT -5
I couldn't really figure out how Sucre was trapped. Did anyone see? I couldn't see much, the water was so murky. I think his ankle or foot was caught under the fallen tree. I didn't see exactly how he ended up in that position -- it happened too quickly. Incidentally, the predicament of a character getting caught under a fallen tree with the water rising wasn't original with Prison Break. It also occurred in the 1971 movie, Sometimes a Great Notion, based on the book of the same title by Ken Kesey. The trapped character in the movie wasn't as lucky as Sucre, however. As to deaths, I don't think they can kill everyone. We wouldn't have a season 3 then! I didn't mean to imply I thought "They all die" meant "They all die this season." ;D |
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Post by bluedelft on Oct 25, 2006 18:23:04 GMT -5
Monday's episode for me was the best of this season so far. On the edge of my seat the whole episode.
Loved seeing Lincoln and LJ back together and curious to see what happens next week. From what I've read on other boards the AmEx preview is suppose to have part of a scene with Linc and LJ. I'm trying to stay away from spoilers so I haven't taken a look yet.
Really have been around much. Lots going on in everyday life and I was asked to help mod a "Prison Break" board which is very, very active.
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I was unable to watch Bones this week because of that (watched Jericho instead) and almost gave up on PB this week but hung in there hoping it would clear up. I had wondered if Sarah did hear something--I, of course, could not. Also. who is the female cop tied up in the house? Is she the woman's daughter--thought heard the word mom--or was she just checking something out? I could see the picture but not hear much and I can't lip read and cc doesn't work on that channel for some reason. It appears that I missed a lot this week being only able to read facial expressions and gestures! Almost like watching a silent movie!
