Leap of Faith

[bjobsessed]

A big Kermie "Good job" for a lot of hard work. Love all the screencaps too.

[hoosier]

GB, thanks for the recap. Loved all the screencaps and especially the little asides. One question though--I thought Jim asked Christie if Nick had a coke spoon around his neck or am I having another "blond dude" moment???

[greenbeing]

hoosier said:

GB, thanks for the recap. Loved all the screencaps and especially the little asides. One question though--I thought Jim asked Christie if Nick had a coke spoon around his neck or am I having another "blond dude" moment???

Was it a coke spoon? Hee hee! I dunno. I thought they said "corkscrew," but you could label me right up there with bjobsessed and her "shove your sandwich up his ass" instead of "sand wedge" in Past Imperfect. Lol! I dunno! Does anyone know? Snort.

Cork screw or Coke spoon, that is the question.

--GB

[hoosier]

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I often thought that was a dress Karen had hanging in her locker but now I wonder if it isn't a flak jacket. I don't recall seeing one in Jim's locker. Did he even get issued one???

[mlm828]

Here is the best screencap I can find that shows what's in Karen's locker:



You're right -- it does look more like a flak jacket than a dress. I have no idea if Jim had one, too. I don't recall ever getting a good look inside his locker (in any of its many locations).

[inuvik]

mlm828 said:

You're right -- it does look more like a flak jacket than a dress. I have no idea if Jim had one, too.

Sure hope Jim didn't have a dress!

[mlm828]

inuvik said:

mlm828 said:

You're right -- it does look more like a flak jacket than a dress. I have no idea if Jim had one, too.

Sure hope Jim didn't have a dress!

Oh, picky, picky, picky (like I'm one to talk!) Besides, if RE can wear that get-up in Fathers and Sons, I'm sure he would do just fine in a dress! As I've said before, I do like a man who's secure.

[hoosier]

When I thought about it, it seemed odd of Karen to have a little black dress in her locker, unless she was going undercover. After a long hard day at work I know this gal just wants to go home and relax I am sure they probably provide some kind of shower arrangement there but, really ,who wants to get all glamed up for a night on the town in the work place! With closer inspection, the sleeves seemed weird and thats when it dawned on me--a flak jacket with those velcro straps! Ha!

You're right, you never got a good look in Jim's locker except when he was putting the gun on the shelf. I assume he was issued a flak jacket even if they never expect him to be in a situation where he would need one. Wonder if he had one on in the Pilot? Probably not since they evidently keep them in their lockers and not their cars. Wouldn't have made any difference anyway. I always find it amazing that so many people seem to get shot in the head or the neck, relatively small targets when you consider the chest!

[hoosier]

This isn't the best picture but I thought, you don't see many scenes where Jim is just relaxing. Not trying to solve some case, not trying "to be the guy". Here, after Walter's racket, he is sitting,sunglasses on the window ledge, enjoying a cup of coffee , the warmth of the sun and the relative peace and quiet of the locker room before facing another day. Wonder what he was thinking about before Karen came in? Contemplating life?
Another cup of joe? The Mets game?

[Duchess of Lashes]

As much as I would love to think Jimmy was contemplating something of a lighter nature, given his conversation of the night before with Walter and what we know he jumped to immediately after the small talk with Karen, I believe his mind was focused on the case and Sam....and Warren.

He seemed so lost in thought when Karen first came in, and it appeared to me that it was only through her prompting that he "lightened up" a bit.

[hoosier]

You're right. Jimmy does thinks to much, to paraphrase Walter, but it is nice to imagine that maybe he was feeling just a tad bit mellow after a night on the town and was enjoying a few minutes to himself. We never really got to see him "off" duty. He was always thinking about a case or being given a clue that helped solve a case or he was coming to terms with a problem (ie-Terry). The guy definitely deserves some down time.

This was another great scene where we got to see Jim's sense of humor as he ribbed Karen about Nick! What was with her asking Jim's opinion anyway? And then getting mad when he said he approved! Sheesh! Since she admitted that she had lousy luck with men, I think she was just seeking validation so she could ease her own doubts.

[mlm828]

hoosier said:

This was another great scene where we got to see Jim's sense of humor as he ribbed Karen about Nick! What was with her asking Jim's opinion anyway? And then getting mad when he said he approved! Sheesh! Since she admitted that she had lousy luck with men, I think she was just seeking validation so she could ease her own doubts.

I agree this was a nice little scene, showing us the evolution in Jim and Karen's relationship, as they are becoming more comfortable with one another. Based on what we later learn about Karen's "bad history" with guys and her sensitivity about the subject, I think she was seeking Jim's approval, but didn't want to admit it.

[hoosier]

I was thinking that this scene shows just how far the squad has come in their opinion of how Jim would be able to handle himself. Of course, here he instigated the ... I can't call it a brawl with Doyle since Doyle didn't even try to defend himself, whereas ,in the Pilot, he successfully countered Randy Lyman's attack. Karen now is content to be backup when in the Pilot she leaped to his defense. Though I think it is pretty clear that Fisk was not happy with how Jim handled Doyle, I mean the guy could have sued the department out the whazoo for police brutality, he didn't stop Jim and the others, especially Marty, were clearly impressed with his abilities. They have slowly come to realize that Jim is not the detriment they thought he would be. Thats one thing I liked about the show, they all were not immediently won over and Jim had to prove himself time and again.



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[Dreamfire]

hoosier said:

I was thinking that this scene shows just how far the squad has come in their opinion of how Jim would be able to handle himself. Of course, here he instigated the ... I can't call it a brawl with Doyle since Doyle didn't even try to defend himself, whereas ,in the Pilot, he successfully countered Randy Lyman's attack. Karen now is content to be backup when in the Pilot she leaped to his defense. Though I think it is pretty clear that Fisk was not happy with how Jim handled Doyle, I mean the guy could have sued the department out the whazoo for police brutality, he didn't stop Jim and the others, especially Marty, were clearly impressed with his abilities. They have slowly come to realize that Jim is not the detriment they thought he would be. Thats one thing I liked about the show, they all were not immediently won over and Jim had to prove himself time and again.

Hi Hoo,

I'm with you, this is one of my fav eps, ( I have 13 favs) I like the way Jim delt with the police brutality issue bringing it right up to the guy to increase the effectiveness of the blows he did throw.


J -...when I beat you 'til your kidney's bleed who's going to buy you got attacked by a blind guy?

W - I came in here without a scratch. 20 people saw me.

J- No You jumped my partner, you tried to get over on me and we had to defend ourselves.

w - what the hell are you doing?

j- I'm getting you situated.

...

he sets it up in Warren's mind that he's going to tak this all the way, that he has the repercussions covered and then he makes sure Warren knows this is not going to get interrupted so that it takes as little brutality as possible to wring the confession out of the scumbag.

W - are you just going to let this happen?

K- yeah I am.

the back up from Karen, the trust, is superb as you have poinetd out he has earned it and now it's paying off. She knows he will take it to the guy but only as far as he needs to to get a confession.


I could see the Lt. was a bit uncomfortable, but I didn't read this as disapproving. I formed an opinion from a one liner in the next exp that Fisk was also a fight fan and took this handling of Doyle in his stride. He was also the one who intimated Dunbar should go find the goods on Doyle being a molester even through he was clearly not guilty of the murder and their case was closed. Encouraging him there to over step his bounds one could say.

The one who seems most disapproving of the brutality is Marty

who looks to Fisk for his reaction at one time. (Sorry no cap)

And he's the one who later admires Jim's left hook.


You point about how he had to prove himself over and over is very relevant - it is also what I think made this show that teensey weencey bit believable.

It's also cool how we can read so many different nuances into every ep and every scene.

A

PS in real life I do not approve of police beating up on guys to get confessions but I will admit I enjoyed it here. Maybe because we get such a close-in look at Doyle and what he has done?

[maggiethecat]

ashatan said:

PS in real life I do not approve of police beating up on guys to get confessions but I will admit I enjoyed it here. Maybe because we get such a close-in look at Doyle and what he has done?

Well said, and I agree. If I ever, ever, ever finish the Official Recap of the episode (soon, I promise) we can open a lively dialogue on the ethical aspects of police brutality . . . for now, I'm just enjoying those screencaps. Favorite line? "I'm just gettin' you situated."