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Post by housemouse on Nov 21, 2006 22:40:38 GMT -5
After hearing the story on the news and I went to youtube to see Michael Richards' rant for myself. I must say it was very offensive and way over the top. I feel the same way about this as I did about Mel's little tirade; those things must be in there somewhere to come out like that. Like Mel's rant it was horrifying, racist and uncalled for. The worst part is how long it goes on, just an awful thing to watch.
I also watched the tape of his little apology on Letterman. Wrong words, wrong forum, wrong everything. I suppose it is good that Seinfeld stood beside his former colleague, but this bit was beyond the beyonds and I wouldn't have wanted to touch Richards with a ten foot pole.
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Post by bjobsessed on Nov 21, 2006 23:15:59 GMT -5
I just went over to youtube and watched it as well. It is very disturbing as Mouse said. I saw part of the apology on ET. It's no longer on youtube because it was used without permission. His apology does not ring true to me. It sound like he's saying what he was told to say. If that rage is in there and 'boils over,' what's to stop it from coming out in other situations? For him to say things like that, it has to be in there somewhere.
I do applaud Seinfeld for sticking by his friend in a very difficult situation, and for convincing him to come and apologize. True friends stick by you through the good, the bad, and the ugly. This is certainly ugly. I just wish he'd sounded more sincere. I hope he can work through this for himself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2006 1:30:32 GMT -5
It's on YouTube, I just watched it.
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Post by bjobsessed on Nov 22, 2006 7:41:37 GMT -5
weird. It wasn't there when I tried last night. Now that I've seen it all, my opinion is still the same. Maybe he's sorry, maybe he's not. His apology seemed to be all over the place and he didn't really say a whole lot. I do like the fact that Jerry Sienfeld told the crowd to stop laughing. It's anything but funny.
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Post by maggiethecat on Nov 22, 2006 9:57:14 GMT -5
It's been my experience that people who go off on racist rants are . . . racists. And they don't just suddenly wake up one morning and decide to hate a particular ethnic or racial group -- the prejudices are ingrained in them, and represent a longstanding, warped way of thinking. Which is why I don't buy Michael Richards's embarrassed little apology any more than I bought Mel Gibson's. At least Mel Gibson was drunk when he went on his little tirade -- not that that's a good thing (!), but it does mean that he was out of control in a very specific way. Michael Richards was not, one presumes, drunk onstage, which makes it worse, I think. He swewed his filth sober and in front of an audience. Did he think no one was listening?  |
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Post by housemouse on Nov 22, 2006 10:05:19 GMT -5
I am right there with ya Mags. One more thing; to me his apology didn't ring true. He seemed to be trying a little too hard to be contrite. Maybe it is because I saw him so much in his Kramer persona to take it seriously, but honestly, it just seemed fake.
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Post by maggiethecat on Nov 22, 2006 10:19:13 GMT -5
One the same page, Mouse, on the same page. I guess the point I was trying to make was that people don't generally spit out that kind of filth unless they believe it -- which is why their apologies always come across as fake. |
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Post by housemouse on Nov 22, 2006 10:28:04 GMT -5
One the same page, Mouse, on the same page. I guess the point I was trying to make was that people don't generally spit out that kind of filth unless they believe it -- which is why their apologies always come across as fake. Karma for you and your brilliant mind! LYLAS!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2006 11:05:31 GMT -5
One the same page, Mouse, on the same page. I guess the point I was trying to make was that people don't generally spit out that kind of filth unless they believe it -- which is why their apologies always come across as fake. Karma for you and your brilliant mind! LYLAS!!! I saw it and I can't even comment on it. It was the most disgusting, degrading, hurtful thing I've ever seen. Now, may I also add, he was at the Laugh Factory over on 8th Avenue - not the best neighborhood at all. He's lucky he didn't get a big fat bullet in his head. |
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Post by housemouse on Nov 22, 2006 11:08:40 GMT -5
Karma for you and your brilliant mind! LYLAS!!! I saw it and I can't even comment on it. It was the most disgusting, degrading, hurtful thing I've ever seen. Now, may I also add, he was at the Laugh Factory over on 8th Avenue - not the best neighborhood at all. He's lucky he didn't get a big fat bullet in his head. I thought he was in LA, thanks for clarifying! |
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Post by carl1951 on Nov 22, 2006 12:28:34 GMT -5
He's lucky he didn't get a big fat bullet in his head. I was thinking the same thing. Since Letterman is in NY, why do a remote apology? (I'm not an Alex Baldwin fan, but he did sum-up in one word what has happened to "Kramer's" career: Flushed. To para-phrase: I can't believe someone who takes most of his life to build a career and then flushed in less than one day.") Later, Carl And...He wasn't drunk or high. At least Gibson could use that excuse. |
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Post by bjobsessed on Nov 22, 2006 16:39:46 GMT -5
It's been my experience that people who go off on racist rants are . . . racists. And they don't just suddenly wake up one morning and decide to hate a particular ethnic or racial group -- the prejudices are ingrained in them, and represent a longstanding, warped way of thinking. Which is why I don't buy Michael Richards's embarrassed little apology any more than I bought Mel Gibson's. I totally agree. You can say all that stuff and then say, "Oops! Where did that come from?" Most people who are angry don't start spouting racial slurs. It's there buried somewhere--only his isn't buried anymore. How could you possibly think something like that is a good way to deal with hecklers and that it would be thought of as funny? That is a very warped way of thinking. |
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Post by housemouse on Nov 22, 2006 18:36:54 GMT -5
I totally agree. You can say all that stuff and then say, "Oops! Where did that come from?" Most people who are angry don't start spouting racial slurs. It's there buried somewhere--only his isn't buried anymore. How could you possibly think something like that is a good way to deal with hecklers and that it would be thought of as funny? That is a very warped way of thinking. You are so right! If you watch the tape you can tell that he is trying to act like he is trying to make his tirade into some kind of ironic joke. He fails miserably. Hatred is hatred, no matter how you try to frame it. |
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Post by housemouse on Nov 23, 2006 10:29:31 GMT -5
Here is a link to a story I saw this morning on TMZ: www.tmz.com/category/train-wrecks/He has done this before. The man is a racist, plain and simple. I'll never be able to enjoy Seinfeld the way I used to. BTW, this guy graduated from the same high school I did. How's that for an embarrassment? |
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Post by bjobsessed on Nov 23, 2006 21:08:43 GMT -5
Wow. I just watched the video with the couple. The whole thing is shocking and sad at the same time. I'm not dumb enough to think racism is all gone. I know it's not, but it puts a whole different light on it when you see it for yourself.
Seinfeld was never a favourite, but I watched it on and off. I don't think I'll ever look at it the same way either.
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