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Post by Dreamfire on Mar 11, 2008 17:48:52 GMT -5
I watched the pilot with Natascha and Lindy. I still really enjoyed it. Yes, some things were unrealistic and I'm sure the confrontation would never have happened that way, but it created tension between Marty and Jim. It also brought too much attention to the gun, but I personally really like that scene. I don't know why but I always have. ROFL! Let's be real honest here BJO.  You like that scene because your imagination takes it that couple of steps further... Karen NOT interupting, Marty going for the gun, Jim springing into action and putting Marty face down on the floor/desk/his chair seat sans gun, arm behind his back, sweating, humiliated and Jimmy looking like Mr Universe! WOuld that be why? |
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Post by Colorado girl on Mar 11, 2008 18:31:57 GMT -5
I watched the pilot with Natascha and Lindy. I still really enjoyed it. Yes, some things were unrealistic and I'm sure the confrontation would never have happened that way, but it created tension between Marty and Jim. It also brought too much attention to the gun, but I personally really like that scene. I don't know why but I always have. ROFL! Let's be real honest here BJO. You like that scene because your imagination takes it that couple of steps further... Karen NOT interupting, Marty going for the gun, Jim springing into action and putting Marty face down on the floor/desk/his chair seat sans gun, arm behind his back, sweating, humiliated and Jimmy looking like Mr Universe! WOuld that be why? ooh. I like that imaginary scene! Jim would have cleaned Marty's clock! |
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Post by mlm828 on Mar 11, 2008 18:52:30 GMT -5
Mlm, interesting take on the cases. You do know more of that world than I do. I guess I'm not going on how realistic they may be, but on how entertaining I find them and I don't really like the procedural aspect of the show in any way, except for when it further develops the characters. I find myself resenting the cases because they eat away at the time I want dedicated to character development. I love The Closer and Saving Grace because both shows, while involving cops and cases, focus heavily on the lives of the main characters and bring me into a different world. Blind Justice didn't really hit me like that. I basically agree, although I don't think it's an accident the cases are they way the are, and there is less about Jim's personal life than we would have liked. Rather, I think there was a conscious decision that the show was going to be about Jim's return to work and how he dealt with all the issues that created. They didn't write more compelling cases, because they didn't want to take attention away from their main focus. They didn't show more of Jim's life outside work, because the focus was supposed to be on his work. This may be why in the most compelling episodes – such as "Up on the Roof," "Marlon's Brando," "Seoul Man," and "Under the Gun" – there is a connection between the case and the issues Jim is dealing with at the time. I'm not suggesting anyone has to agree with this, I just think it's the choice that the show's creators made. Yeah, I would have been just as happy if Jim had been a gym teacher or a dentist. Yikes! Imagine him as a dentist! THAT might have been a bit scarier than watching him wave a gun around. scary. ;D The other thing that has always bothered me is the confrontation about the gun in the squad room. It always made me squirm since NO detectives would ever do that in front of a room full of people. I am sure they have had numerous inservice trainings about gun safety. OK, have some under the breath whispers about it...but not a full confrontation where people on the other side of the room have their attention .(There is a woman in the background who is in on the drama,,,not to mention our favorite perp who gave Ron the nickname "blonde dude".) That could have been a reason to get a reprimand or a rip on his first day back. Now that I think of it, you're absolutely right about this. But it does seem entirely in character for Jim to react the way he did, and his reaction shows us he's still the "old" Jim in many ways, including being somewhat of a hothead. And I do enjoy the way the two actors played the scene, with testosterone oozing out through the television screen.  |
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Post by hoosier on Mar 11, 2008 18:57:29 GMT -5
Seeing Jimmy put that martial arts practice to good use huh? Okay--my take on some things... 1) Karen announcing she was a friend of Anne's and Jim's reaction.. "I was going through a bad time in my marriage and I was making a lot of bad decisions" (or words to that affect) I got the impression this time around that maybe Jim wasn't quite the ladies man they may have initially envisioned him to be. And Karen's warning to him not to hit on her was purely a knee-jerk reaction to whatever Anne had told her. Makes you wonder, what had happened between Jim and Christie that made him seek solace with someone else. 2) Terry cornering Jim his first day back to work. "not to be friends like we were before""what are you looking for then?" How did I miss this line??? Talk about a kick in the gut! 3)This might be stretching it a bit but I thought this could qualify as a "bookend moment". Jim gets his badge from the drawer and when he reaches for his gun, he hesitates/pauses/considers before taking it up. A moment of self-doubt about carrying the gun? Questioning his ability to handle a situation where a gun might be involved? Then later, at Lyman's, he draws the gun with absolutely no hesitation but we are privy to his reaction later in the bathroom, hands shaking as he tried to get a grip on his emotions. He has proved to himself (and his partner)that he can do the job, that he has her back, but the cost to himself it high. I agree that they did drag the gun issue out but eventually seeing what it did cost Jim to give it up...but thats for a later episode |
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Post by Dreamfire on Mar 11, 2008 19:43:06 GMT -5
Jim as a dentist  . Yes my vote for scariest return to work. The other thing that has always bothered me is the confrontation about the gun in the squad room. It always made me squirm since NO detectives would ever do that in front of a room full of people. I am sure they have had numerous inservice trainings about gun safety. OK, have some under the breath whispers about it...but not a full confrontation where people on the other side of the room have their attention .(There is a woman in the background who is in on the drama,,,not to mention our favorite perp who gave Ron the nickname "blonde dude".) That could have been a reason to get a reprimand or a rip on his first day back. Now that I think of it, you're absolutely right about this. But it does seem entirely in character for Jim to react the way he did, and his reaction shows us he's still the "old" Jim in many ways, including being somewhat of a hothead. And I do enjoy the way the two actors played the scene, with testosterone oozing out through the television screen. I find myself agreeing with both of you. Totally way out and unacceptable and in real life I am sure it would have been reported and he would have been out on his a$$. But great character development for both of them and such a powerfully tense scene. Makes Jim look like such a strong character and bull headed and all that. To give a man the responsibility and the power of an NYPD detective you need to trust his judgement fully and that should include allowing him the decision of can he handle a firearm or not. The issue is unresolved in my own head. It is a good intimidation tool, could Jim have held Lyman without it? Can he have Karen's back if he is unarmed? Do you think he could protect Karen without it? N |
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Post by rducasey on Mar 11, 2008 20:01:36 GMT -5
[ The other thing that has always bothered me is the confrontation about the gun in the squad room. It always made me squirm since NO detectives would ever do that in front of a room full of people. I am sure they have had numerous inservice trainings about gun safety. OK, have some under the breath whispers about it...but not a full confrontation where people on the other side of the room have their attention .(There is a woman in the background who is in on the drama,,,not to mention our favorite perp who gave Ron the nickname "blonde dude".) That could have been a reason to get a reprimand or a rip on his first day back. Now that I think of it, you're absolutely right about this. But it does seem entirely in character for Jim to react the way he did, and his reaction shows us he's still the "old" Jim in many ways, including being somewhat of a hothead. And I do enjoy the way the two actors played the scene, with testosterone oozing out through the television screen. Yes, it really did set the tone for the whole Marty/Jim drama that ensued for the first 5 episodes until Seoul Man. I liked the way Jim said "hey look at me" and I always wonder how he knew Marty was not looking at him. I think it took Marty aback as well that Jim knew he had turned his head away. Now I can't remember if it was in a radio interview that I listened to (I think it was online) and Ron joked about this scene, saying that Frank Grillo kept reaching over and just taking the gun. Does anyone else remember this interview? I suppose that will be in the outtakes when we finally get the series on DVD....Yeah right! |
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Post by mlm828 on Mar 11, 2008 21:46:24 GMT -5
To give a man the responsibility and the power of an NYPD detective you need to trust his judgement fully and that should include allowing him the decision of can he handle a firearm or not. The issue is unresolved in my own head. It is a good intimidation tool, could Jim have held Lyman without it? Can he have Karen's back if he is unarmed? Do you think he could protect Karen without it? If he was unarmed, I think he could have handled Lyman in some other way. After all, they showed him doing martial arts training in the opening sequence. Maybe he could have used that, once he determined Lyman's location. Someone who knows more about martial arts than I do can probably elaborate on this -- or tell me if I'm totally out to lunch on this point. They could have replaced the Jim-Marty issue about the gun with an issue about him going out on the streets unarmed -- Marty, of course, taking the position that he has no business being on the streets if he can't carry a gun. |
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Post by bjobsessed on Mar 11, 2008 23:18:59 GMT -5
I watched the pilot with Natascha and Lindy. I still really enjoyed it. Yes, some things were unrealistic and I'm sure the confrontation would never have happened that way, but it created tension between Marty and Jim. It also brought too much attention to the gun, but I personally really like that scene. I don't know why but I always have. ROFL! Let's be real honest here BJO. You like that scene because your imagination takes it that couple of steps further... Karen NOT interupting, Marty going for the gun, Jim springing into action and putting Marty face down on the floor/desk/his chair seat sans gun, arm behind his back, sweating, humiliated and Jimmy looking like Mr Universe! WOuld that be why? Since I can't find you at the moment, fear not. I'm ROTFL with you! |
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Post by Dreamfire on Mar 12, 2008 2:05:16 GMT -5
They could have replaced the Jim-Marty issue about the gun with an issue about him going out on the streets unarmed -- Marty, of course, taking the position that he has no business being on the streets if he can't carry a gun. OOh, nice take on that. Interesting... |
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Post by Chris on Mar 19, 2008 18:18:59 GMT -5
I finally got to re-watch the Pilot. BTW what's up with that, not having time to watch BJ??? That's not right!!! ;D The beginning of this ep always have me holding my breath, the scene at the bank is so filled with action, I can barely watch it. When Jim and Christie talk in the morning just before he leaves for work, you can hear the anxiety in his voice and I just realized today that it gives me a knot in my stomach that stays throughout his first day at work. I don't remember how I felt the first time I ever saw the Pilot but I like the way Lt. Fisk treats Jim on the first day, telling him the harsh truth about how he feels about Jim being out on the streets. Jim might not like to hear it but Fisk does it in a way that seems reasonable and he is willing to give Jim a chance when he asks for it. But I changed my mind on the second day. I didn't like the way he behaved toward Jim and Karen, accusing them of hijacking the case (although that was exactly what they were doing ) One thing I noticed was when they were at the place where Lynn Bodner was found. As Karen and Jim leaves, Fisk looks at Jim as he picks up Hank's harness, wondering as if he had already forgotten that Jim was blind. (I tried to find a screen cap but couldn't find one) I felt a little sorry for Terry. He came to apologize and looked as though he was feeling bad for what happened at the bank. Jim on the other hand didn't really want to talk to him. Which I fully understand but I still felt a little sorry for Terry - until UOTR that is!!!  There's one thing I've never understood. How did Dunbar know Lyman was lying when he said he had a gun pointing at Karen??? And this; What did Lyman do with the tongues? Eeeww! Yuck! I don't even want to think about it!!! So for me the Pilot is more about gushing than being snarky (sorry, Shmeep, I tried, maybe later.... ) Still in awe of Ron's ability to portray a blind man so convincingly. You guys sure he doesn't normally wear coke bottle contacts and just took them out for the shooting? LOL!!!! I've heard of coke bottle glasses but not coke bottle contacts ;D - Chris  |
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Post by hoosier on Mar 19, 2008 18:30:28 GMT -5
I finally got to re-watch the Pilot. BTW what's up with that, not having time to watch BJ??? That's not right!!! ;D There's one thing I've never understood. How did Dunbar know Lyman was lying when he said he had a gun pointing at Karen??? - Chris He (Lyman) doth protest too much. Jim probably figured if Randy had really had Karen's gun he would have used it the minute he had come through the door. Besides, Randy seemed to prefer killing prostitutes. And the tongues? Maybe he had them in the freezer---oooh double yuck!!!! |
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Post by Chris on Mar 19, 2008 18:35:00 GMT -5
He (Lyman) doth protest too much. Jim probably figured if Randy had really had Karen's gun he would have used it the minute he had come through the door. Besides, Randy seemed to prefer killing prostitutes. And the tongues? Maybe he had them in the freezer---oooh double yuck!!!! That makes sense. No tongues in the freezer, please??? - Chris |
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Post by hoosier on Mar 19, 2008 18:49:15 GMT -5
He (Lyman) doth protest too much. Jim probably figured if Randy had really had Karen's gun he would have used it the minute he had come through the door. Besides, Randy seemed to prefer killing prostitutes. And the tongues? Maybe he had them in the freezer---oooh double yuck!!!! That makes sense. No tongues in the freezer, please??? - Chris You don't want to find them lurking among the bags of frozen corn and peas With you there!!! |
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Post by mlm828 on Mar 19, 2008 21:31:21 GMT -5
There's one thing I've never understood. How did Dunbar know Lyman was lying when he said he had a gun pointing at Karen??? He (Lyman) doth protest too much. Jim probably figured if Randy had really had Karen's gun he would have used it the minute he had come through the door. I think Jim believed Lyman was bluffing when he claimed to have a gun, but he couldn't know for sure. This must have been one of the reasons he was so shaken after the incident was over.  |
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Post by bjobsessed on Mar 19, 2008 22:03:44 GMT -5
One thing I noticed was when they were at the place where Lynn Bodner was found. As Karen and Jim leaves, Fisk looks at Jim as he picks up Hank's harness, wondering as if he had already forgotten that Jim was blind. (I tried to find a screen cap but couldn't find one)Are any of these what you were looking for? In the first one, Jim is just about to pick up the harness. In the other two, he has picked it up and they are walking away. (Which you can see).   
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You like that scene because your imagination takes it that couple of steps further... Karen NOT interupting, Marty going for the gun, Jim springing into action and putting Marty face down on the floor/desk/his chair seat sans gun, arm behind his back, sweating, humiliated and Jimmy looking like Mr Universe! WOuld that be why?
. Yes my vote for scariest return to work. 
