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Post by housemouse on Jun 26, 2006 19:16:38 GMT -5
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Post by mlm828 on Jun 27, 2006 20:32:42 GMT -5
Very interesting -- and a little ominous. I can't figure out what Rowling is doing here. Is it just some deliberate disinformation? But why? It's not as if she has to drum up anticipation for the next book.  This isn't the first time Rowling has reminded readers she never promised Harry would survive. But I for one always thought it was more likely he'd survive. Now I'm not so sure. As discussed in the HBP thread, Harry is facing a lot of seemingly-insurmountable obstacles. Considering that Rowling killed off Dumbledore in HBP, I wouldn't put anything past her.
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Post by inuvik on Jun 27, 2006 21:03:54 GMT -5
This isn't the first time Rowling has reminded readers she never promised Harry would survive. But I for one always thought it was more likely he'd survive. Now I'm not so sure. As discussed in the HBP thread, Harry is facing a lot of seemingly-insurmountable obstacles. Considering that Rowling killed off Dumbledore in HBP, I wouldn't put anything past her. I wouldn't be surprised. There are several books out there that talk about the spirituality in Harry Potter, even the overt religious references. One I have read is "The Gospel According to Harry Potter". It has lots of references, which I won't either spoil for you or bore you with, depending on your POV. But a common one is that HP himself has parallels to Jesus. And we all know how that story ended. |
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Post by bjobsessed on Jun 27, 2006 22:00:25 GMT -5
I just saw on the news that JKR says two characters will die in the final book and that people won't be happy. Take that for whatever it's worth.
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Post by shmeep on Jun 28, 2006 8:11:23 GMT -5
There are several books out there that talk about the spirituality in Harry Potter, even the overt religious references. One I have read is "The Gospel According to Harry Potter". It has lots of references, which I won't either spoil for you or bore you with, depending on your POV. But a common one is that HP himself has parallels to Jesus. And we all know how that story ended. Oddly enough, this ties in with a conversation I had with The Boy last night. I've long suspected that Harry himself is a horcrux; that Voldemort accidentally put one part of his soul into Harry's body after killing James and Lily. If this is true, then Harry would have to die because all the horcruxes must be destroyed before the body of Voldemort could finally lose its power and die as well. BUT it could be a typical JKR kind of trick. See...even if Harry is a Christ figure, he could still come back to life. If he does, indeed, have two souls (and that would certainly explain all the Voldemort powers he got and the connection they have always had), then he could still come back as just Harry with one soul even after being thought dead. That's my theory, anyway. Whenever I read all the ominous things JKR says about the final book, it makes me scared to read it, but I was scared to read the last two and I realized after I was done that I really just need to trust this author because whatever happens, it will all be done in a way that leaves me satisfied in the end. I didn't want Sirius or Dumbledore to die, but they did and somehow it all came out all right in the end. I just finished Chamber of Secrets again and it's very interesting...especially when Dumbledore tells Lucius that he will never truly have left Hogwarts as long as people still believed in him (or something to that effect). Now I think that has a deeper meaning and Harry will somehow find Dumbledore again, even if it's only by talking with his portrait. Those portraits of all the other headmasters have always had a lot of insight. I think I'll be sad when it's over because then I'll know if all this theorizing is right or wrong and it may be a bit of a let down not to have this mystery hanging over me any longer...but how fun to try to figure it out in the meantime! |
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Post by inuvik on Jun 28, 2006 12:20:14 GMT -5
There are several books out there that talk about the spirituality in Harry Potter, even the overt religious references. One I have read is "The Gospel According to Harry Potter". It has lots of references, which I won't either spoil for you or bore you with, depending on your POV. But a common one is that HP himself has parallels to Jesus. And we all know how that story ended. Oddly enough, this ties in with a conversation I had with The Boy last night. I've long suspected that Harry himself is a horcrux; that Voldemort accidentally put one part of his soul into Harry's body after killing James and Lily. If this is true, then Harry would have to die because all the horcruxes must be destroyed before the body of Voldemort could finally lose its power and die as well. BUT it could be a typical JKR kind of trick. See...even if Harry is a Christ figure, he could still come back to life. If he does, indeed, have two souls (and that would certainly explain all the Voldemort powers he got and the connection they have always had), then he could still come back as just Harry with one soul even after being thought dead. That's my theory, anyway. What a great idea! I never even considered Harry could be a horcurx. You're right, it makes a lot of sense. I can't remember the books well enough though--can a horcrux be a living thing, or does it have to be an inanimate object? I just love your theory and I just bet you are right! |
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Post by shmeep on Jun 28, 2006 12:49:13 GMT -5
What a great idea! I never even considered Harry could be a horcurx. You're right, it makes a lot of sense. I can't remember the books well enough though--can a horcrux be a living thing, or does it have to be an inanimate object? I just love your theory and I just bet you are right! I would be shocked if I were entirely right because JKR always has something up her sleeve, but I seem to remember that it was suspected that Nagini (the snake) could be a horcrux as well, although I don't remember if that theory came from Dumbledore or from another Harry Potter fan during a discussion. I'll have to read up on that more carefully when I get to that book again, but I do know a horcrux is made after killing someone and Voldemort had just killed off Harry's parents and could have been planning to use that kill for his next horcrux in some other object when his spell against Harry backfired. There are so many possibilities there. As for Nagini...does anyone else thing she may be the same snake Harry freed in the first book? Dumbledore made it very clear to Harry after he spared Wormtail that he had sent Voldemort a servant who had an obligation to Harry. Suppose Nagini, too, was obligated to Harry? Just a thought. |
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Post by maggiethecat on Jun 28, 2006 13:30:28 GMT -5
Could be J. K. is ready for this chapter in her life to be over and done with, as much as she is proud of and involved with her creation. Conan-Doyle had the same problem, which is why he pushed Sherlock Holmes over the Reichenbach Falls . . . and then had to mysteriously resurrect him a year later after the public outcry. Maybe we have to ask ourselves if Ms. Rowling really wants gangs of children weeping in front of her house and throwing stones through her windows. |
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Post by mlm828 on Jun 28, 2006 16:09:06 GMT -5
I took a look at the transcript of the interview with J.K. Rowling (which is here: www.mugglenet.com/mnnews/06262006/transcriptrandjudy.shtmlfor those who want to do the same). She says she gave one character a "reprieve," but two other characters die, whom she didn't intend to die. She also says (or strongly implies) that the two who die are major characters. |
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Post by maggiethecat on Jun 28, 2006 17:09:37 GMT -5
I'll place my bet now that Ron Weasley shuffles off his mortal. Yes, that would qualify as upsetting. But if she kills off Hermione -- or Hagrid! Oh God, not my beloved Hagrid/Robbie Coltrane! -- maybe I'll hop a plane to Edinburgh and throw a few stones through her windows myself.  PS. Following the Christ analogy, who will betray Harry? Judas was a redhead and so is Ron. I'm just sayin' . . . . |
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Post by housemouse on Jun 28, 2006 18:45:41 GMT -5
NOT RON!! No, no, no, not Ron! I think he'll make it. My bet is on Ginny Weasley or maybe the Weasley twins, maybe all three.
She's already killed off Sirius and Dumbledore (oh Gary, I'll miss you so!) what more pain does JKR have in store for us? I honestly think the trio will make it to the end, or at least I hope so.
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Post by mlm828 on Jun 28, 2006 19:09:38 GMT -5
I've long suspected that Harry himself is a horcrux; that Voldemort accidentally put one part of his soul into Harry's body after killing James and Lily. If this is true, then Harry would have to die because all the horcruxes must be destroyed before the body of Voldemort could finally lose its power and die as well. BUT it could be a typical JKR kind of trick. See...even if Harry is a Christ figure, he could still come back to life. If he does, indeed, have two souls (and that would certainly explain all the Voldemort powers he got and the connection they have always had), then he could still come back as just Harry with one soul even after being thought dead. That's my theory, anyway. Another theory is that if Harry is a horcrux, the part of Voldemort's soul that is in him has somehow ceased to be Voldemort or, at least, ceased to be evil -- perhaps because of "the power that Voldemort knows not" as Dumbledore always called it. (I think I may have already mentioned this theory in the HBP discussion; if so, apologies for the repetition). If that's the case, maybe it turns out not to be necessary to destroy the part of Voldemort in Harry. Or, as shmeep suggests, maybe he can survive the destruction of the part of Voldemort's soul he's carrying, because his own soul is still intact. Or does Harry have to resort to evil to save himself and create a horcrux himself? Or maybe he's tempted to do that. Oh, the possibilities. . . . About the connection between Voldemort and Harry: we know Voldemort became aware of it, because he began to block it. Would he have known from this connection that he had inadvertently made Harry a horcrux? I seem to remember that it was suspected that Nagini (the snake) could be a horcrux as well, although I don't remember if that theory came from Dumbledore or from another Harry Potter fan during a discussion. I'll have to read up on that more carefully when I get to that book again, but I do know a horcrux is made after killing someone and Voldemort had just killed off Harry's parents and could have been planning to use that kill for his next horcrux in some other object when his spell against Harry backfired. There are so many possibilities there. As for Nagini...does anyone else thing she may be the same snake Harry freed in the first book? Dumbledore made it very clear to Harry after he spared Wormtail that he had sent Voldemort a servant who had an obligation to Harry. Suppose Nagini, too, was obligated to Harry? Just a thought. I'm pretty sure it was Dumbledore who suggested Nagini might be a horcrux. I hadn't thought about the possibility Nagini might be the snake Harry freed from the zoo, but I could definitely see J.K. Rowling doing that. |
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Post by inuvik on Jun 29, 2006 12:26:59 GMT -5
From the oracle of the cowboy nickname: Harry "Adios" Potter I couldn't believe it in light of the discussion we've been having! This proves it, of course. ;D  |
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