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Post by mlm828 on Apr 12, 2008 16:32:25 GMT -5
It’s week 6, which means it’s time for “Seoul Man”: Korean grocers, pissed-off stepsisters, the final session with Dr. Galloway, “messed up” Jim, and a little tête à tête in the locker room.  |
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Post by hoosier on Apr 15, 2008 18:54:19 GMT -5
Guess I'll be the first to jump in ;D
I noticed in the scene where Jim is leaning over the vic that one second he has the cell phone the next he doesn't then there it is again. A blooper!
I also noticed that this is the second time Jim mentions being put in for a medal of valor, the first being in the Pilot. Had they offered one and he refused it? How could one compensate for what he had lost?
We assume that Jim had always been this "bad ass cop" (Eric in Rub), some kind of hot shot detective but Galloways statement that from what Jim had told him there was room for improvement in all three (man, husband, cop) made me wonder if this is correct. How much has he changed with his blindness? Is he more willing to listen, to not take people at face value now that he has to rely on his other senses and on someone else?
Two of my favorite scenes--the "interrogation" by the Chief and then when Jim, by now pretty pissed off, decides to "use my cane". Jim must have felt as if the Chief were rubbing it in by stressing he could no longer rely on the "instincts developed when he could see" and that there were "things he could not do." With Karen, was Jim wanting to prove that there were still things he could do, such as returning to the car under his own power only to have it shot down by the fact that he didn't know the car was. He was less than gracious excuse me.
A few things that bothered me--
1)when they brought the body bag out (would they have done that?) and put it on the gurney they lifted it as if it were a sack of potatoes. A body would have been much heavier. I know there wasn't a real body in there but they could have flexed their acting muscles and pretended a little bit more.
2)You could accuse Marty and Tom of racial profiling "if your Asian and recently released you're getting a visit" or words to that affect. The perp wore a mask and they seemed to base it all on the fact the perp spoke Korean.
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Post by mlm828 on Apr 15, 2008 20:17:12 GMT -5
We assume that Jim had always been this "bad ass cop" (Eric in Rub), some kind of hot shot detective but Galloways statement that from what Jim had told him there was room for improvement in all three (man, husband, cop) made me wonder if this is correct. Just because Jim was a "bad ass cop" before the shooting doesn't mean he didn't need improvement in that department, in my opinion. For example, being a "bad ass cop" could include being overly aggressive or reckless. Two of my favorite scenes--the "interrogation" by the Chief and then when Jim, by now pretty pissed off, decides to "use my cane" . . . . With Karen, was Jim wanting to prove that there were still things he could do, such as returning to the car under his own power only to have it shot down by the fact that he didn't know the car was. He was less than gracious excuse me. When I re-watched that scene, I thought how much he must hate being blind - at least, at that moment.  You could accuse Marty and Tom of racial profiling "if your Asian and recently released you're getting a visit" or words to that affect. The perp wore a mask and they seemed to base it all on the fact the perp spoke Korean. I didn't see it that way, because (as I recall) this was after Dorsey claimed to have seen the suspect's face and described him as Asian. One thing that always bugged me about this episode was Galloway surprising Jim with the news that he had just had his last session. I don't think a therapist would announce the end of therapy so abruptly. I suppose you could say this wasn't the usual type of therapy, but rather a limited number of sessions to evaluate his fitness for duty, but even so, I don't think a therapist would have sprung it on his patient/client like that. And Jim was definitely taken by surprise.  I always cringe during the scene with the Chief of Ds. Jim is so defensive – no doubt because he’s beating himself up over not catching the perp. But there’s no way Jim is going to win that argument.  This is one of the hardest episodes for me to watch. All episode long, Jim is getting pummeled from all directions – starting with the perp running right past him, then the Chief of Ds getting on his case, Marty’s constant sniping, Don Yun’s story of the dog with three legs, Fisk calling him and Marty on the carpet, Karen pointing out he can’t find the car, Galloway surprising him with the news that it’s their last session, and last but certainly not least, the locker-room confrontation with Marty. The only people who don’t give him a hard time are Christie and Tom. No wonder all he can do at the end is sink down onto the bench in the locker room.  |
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Post by hoosier on Apr 16, 2008 18:58:42 GMT -5
We assume that Jim had always been this "bad ass cop" (Eric in Rub), some kind of hot shot detective but Galloways statement that from what Jim had told him there was room for improvement in all three (man, husband, cop) made me wonder if this is correct. Just because Jim was a "bad ass cop" before the shooting doesn't mean he didn't need improvement in that department, in my opinion. For example, being a "bad ass cop" could include being overly aggressive or reckless. I didn't make myself very clear in this regard, excuse me.  You did get where I was coming from regardless of how poorly I stated it. From what we see of Jim post-blindness you get the impression that he has always been extremely competent and contentious . Pre-blindness had he been one to cut corners or on occasion been less than scrupulous to get the job done, something of a loose cannon that earned him the reputation as a"bad-ass cop"? Some would probably classify his actions at the bank as "reckless" though I think most of us see it as "getting the job done." Too bad we couldn't have gotten a glimpse of sighted Jim in action outside of the bank.One thing that always bugged me about this episode was Galloway surprising Jim with the news that he had just had his last session. I don't think a therapist would announce the end of therapy so abruptly. I suppose you could say this wasn't the usual type of therapy, but rather a limited number of sessions to evaluate his fitness for duty, but even so, I don't think a therapist would have sprung it on his patient/client like that. And Jim was definitely taken by surprise. It did seem rather strange to spring it on Jim out of the blue and evidently they didn't state a specific number of seesions he had to attend before a decision was made as to his fitness for duty. And I think he did expect Galloway to give a less than favorable report. You think he would have told Christie the minute he got home. Still trying to process the fact that there was no way they could kick him out, at least not for psychological reasons? That all he had gone through had been worth it because he had proved he could do the job?I always cringe during the scene with the Chief of Ds. Jim is so defensive – no doubt because he’s beating himself up over not catching the perp. But there’s no way Jim is going to win that argument. He's as prickly as a porcupine and when the chief mentioned that they hadn't gotten his evaluation yet you could Jim gearing up for a fight. Why did the chief drop that little bomb? To see how he would react? |
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Post by rducasey on Apr 16, 2008 19:55:16 GMT -5
He's as prickly as a porcupine and when the chief mentioned that they hadn't gotten his evaluation yet you could Jim gearing up for a fight. Why did the chief drop that little bomb? To see how he would react? Probably dropped that bomb just because he could. Even though he said,"any friction between you and the department....yada yada yada" you can bet there was a lot of things he wanted to say in the months preceeding, but lawyers probably got in the way. So perhaps at this first meeting since the ruling he is going to get out some of those frustrations. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 25, 2008 4:18:43 GMT -5
I also noticed that this is the second time Jim mentions being put in for a medal of valor, the first being in the Pilot. Had they offered one and he refused it? How could one compensate for what he had lost? In the Pilot when he opens the desk drawer and picks up his gun and badge you can see a box with the NYPD seal, to me that looks like the box you would keep a medal in. So I'm inclined to belive that he did get a medal and accepted it as well. (I've been searching for a screen cap but couldn't find one?) I always cringe during the scene with the Chief of Ds. Jim is so defensive – no doubt because he’s beating himself up over not catching the perp. But there’s no way Jim is going to win that argument. He's as prickly as a porcupine and when the chief mentioned that they hadn't gotten his evaluation yet you could Jim gearing up for a fight. Why did the chief drop that little bomb? To see how he would react? Saying Jim is as prickly as a porcupine pretty much sums up the entire episode.  He is constantly on edge and being defensive - he blames himself for not catching the running perp even if nobody else does. I agree with Mary, the Chief of Ds says is just because he can. And he gets what he wants, Jim's defensive right away and Lt Fisk is as uncomfortable as ever. Nice little win  When Jim and Karen intervierws Mr. Yun he says that he has to work overtime because of the money he lost when the wedding got cancelled. How is that any different than it would have been had there been a wedding? Of course the money spent on deposits are gone but if there had been a wedding the costs must have been much higher. So why wouldn't he have to work overtime anyway to cover the costs of the wedding??? I realize that he has to save money in case there will be another wedding in the future, that is, if his daughter ever decides to leave their apartment again. But it doesn't make sense to me and I wonder why the two detectives didn't pick up on that?? I know I keep hearing things that aren't there  but is Jim calling Dr. Galloway "Darling"  Dr. Galloway says that there are "Absolutely things you cannot do anymore" and Jim answers "Yes. This is not news to me darling" Am I hearing things again?? - Chris  |
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Post by rducasey on Apr 25, 2008 5:09:43 GMT -5
I know I keep hearing things that aren't there but is Jim calling Dr. Galloway "Darling" Dr. Galloway says that there are "Absolutely things you cannot do anymore" and Jim answers "Yes. This is not news to me darling" Am I hearing things again?? - Chris Chris, you really started my day with a laugh with this one, and I had to go pop in the disc to hear what you heard. If that was true, we have much more to discuss, hahahaha. However he says "This is not news to me, Don."... I'm still laughing. |
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Post by hoosier on Apr 25, 2008 17:37:25 GMT -5
I also noticed that this is the second time Jim mentions being put in for a medal of valor, the first being in the Pilot. Had they offered one and he refused it? How could one compensate for what he had lost? In the Pilot when he opens the desk drawer and picks up his gun and badge you can see a box with the NYPD seal, to me that looks like the box you would keep a medal in. So I'm inclined to belive that he did get a medal and accepted it as well. (I've been searching for a screen cap but couldn't find one?) - Chris I hadn't noticed that! Does that mean I have to sit in a corner and watch the episode again? ;D I assumed that Jim was merely being sarcastic by mentioning the medal in the Pilot, getting it for something meaningless. Like all heroes, he seems to feel he didn't deserve it and how could it compensate for the loss of his sight? |
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Post by Chris on Apr 26, 2008 18:52:26 GMT -5
I know I keep hearing things that aren't there but is Jim calling Dr. Galloway "Darling" Dr. Galloway says that there are "Absolutely things you cannot do anymore" and Jim answers "Yes. This is not news to me darling" Am I hearing things again?? - Chris Chris, you really started my day with a laugh with this one, and I had to go pop in the disc to hear what you heard. If that was true, we have much more to discuss, hahahaha. However he says "This is not news to me, Don."... I'm still laughing. I would have been funny wouldn't it?  Galloways first name is Allan so why call him Don? Is it a blooper and he was supposed to say "Doc" or is there a reason to call the Dr. "Don" that I don't know about? This is a real question, I truly want to know. Speaking of Dr. Galloway.. Maybe you have discussed this before in the old threads but I like the scene in the morning when Jim tells Christie that his sessions with Galloway are over. It seems to me like he's trying to convince himself rather than Christie that he doesn't need/want more sessions with the therapist.  Christie thinks so too since she asks him if he could go on his own  then she backs off and says that he doesn't have to go.  In the Pilot when he opens the desk drawer and picks up his gun and badge you can see a box with the NYPD seal, to me that looks like the box you would keep a medal in. So I'm inclined to belive that he did get a medal and accepted it as well. (I've been searching for a screen cap but couldn't find one?) - Chris I hadn't noticed that! Does that mean I have to sit in a corner and watch the episode again? ;D I assumed that Jim was merely being sarcastic by mentioning the medal in the Pilot, getting it for something meaningless. Like all heroes, he seems to feel he didn't deserve it and how could it compensate for the loss of his sight? Yes, go sit in the corner, Hoosier! I think you're right. Also since he might have been presented with the medal while he was sueing the NYPD to get his job back. It's only been a year since the shooting so he must have sued them early on. Imagine that, they give him a medal "Sorry you got shot. You want to go back to work? Sue us!" Maybe he deserved it but once he got it, it ended up in a drawer and didn't really matter. - Chris |
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Post by Katryna on Apr 26, 2008 19:59:37 GMT -5
Chris, you really started my day with a laugh with this one, and I had to go pop in the disc to hear what you heard. If that was true, we have much more to discuss, hahahaha. However he says "This is not news to me, Don."... I'm still laughing. I would have been funny wouldn't it? Galloways first name is Allan so why call him Don? Is it a blooper and he was supposed to say "Doc" or is there a reason to call the Dr. "Don" that I don't know about? This is a real question, I truly want to know. - Chris My answer to your "real question" is that I heard it as "This is not news to me, Doc." So we have one "Darling", one "Don", and a Doc. Anyone else? |
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Post by mlm828 on Apr 26, 2008 20:22:17 GMT -5
My answer to your "real question" is that I heard it as "This is not news to me, Doc." So we have one "Darling", one "Don", and a Doc. Anyone else? I vote for "Doc," too.  Speaking of Dr. Galloway.. Maybe you have discussed this before in the old threads but I like the scene in the morning when Jim tells Christie that his sessions with Galloway are over. It seems to me like he's trying to convince himself rather than Christie that he doesn't need/want more sessions with the therapist. Christie thinks so too since she asks him if he could go on his own, then she backs off and says that he doesn't have to go. I totally agree. And I have always thought Christie was smart to back off in this instance. In the Pilot when he opens the desk drawer and picks up his gun and badge you can see a box with the NYPD seal, to me that looks like the box you would keep a medal in. So I'm inclined to believe that he did get a medal and accepted it as well. You're right. There is definitely a box or container of some kind with the NYPD seal in the drawer. But I wonder. If Jim had already received a medal, wouldn't the other detectives know about it? If so, his lie about being put in for a Medal of Valor wouldn't be very effective. And Jim is a pretty good liar. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 27, 2008 16:41:58 GMT -5
In the Pilot when he opens the desk drawer and picks up his gun and badge you can see a box with the NYPD seal, to me that looks like the box you would keep a medal in. So I'm inclined to believe that he did get a medal and accepted it as well. You're right. There is definitely a box or container of some kind with the NYPD seal in the drawer. But I wonder. If Jim had already received a medal, wouldn't the other detectives know about it? If so, his lie about being put in for a Medal of Valor wouldn't be very effective. And Jim is a pretty good liar. He is a pretty good liar. This time though, I think he expected the other detectives to recognize this as a lie, he just didn't want to tell them what the Chief of Ds had said. Another way of telling Marty that this is "none of your business". And Marty knows that. - Chris |
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Post by rducasey on Apr 29, 2008 6:02:52 GMT -5
It would have been funny wouldn't it? Galloways first name is Allan so why call him Don? Is it a blooper and he was supposed to say "Doc" or is there a reason to call the Dr. "Don" that I don't know about? This is a real question, I truly want to know. - Chris This had me wondering why I thought his name was Don. I did know his name was Alan, so why do I keep thinking his name is Don. Well I figured it out. I knew there was a Don Galloway in my past so I checked him out on imdb, and yes, he was a former "crush" of mine. He was on the defense team on Ironsides- Don Galloway in the upper right picture. It was a favorite show of mine, Ironsides and I used to think that guy was pretty hot. It seems he dropped off the radar in the mid nineties to persue teaching acting. I hope a favorite actor of mine now, has not "gone that route".  |
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Post by hoosier on Apr 29, 2008 18:21:00 GMT -5
This had me wondering why I thought his name was Don. I did know his name was Alan, so why do I keep thinking his name is Don. Well I figured it out. I knew there was a Don Galloway in my past so I checked him out on imdb, and yes, he was a former "crush" of mine. He was on the defense team on Ironsides- Don Galloway in the upper right picture. It was a favorite show of mine, Ironsides and I used to think that guy was pretty hot. It seems he dropped off the radar in the mid nineties to persue teaching acting. I hope a favorite actor of mine now, has not "gone that route". That was also a favorite of mine. Now here was a disabled cop who was even given his own support team! Excuse me but could you imagine fighting crime and still looking as good as Fran did? |
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You did get where I was coming from regardless of how poorly I stated it. From what we see of Jim post-blindness you get the impression that he has always been extremely competent and contentious . Pre-blindness had he been one to cut corners or on occasion been less than scrupulous to get the job done, something of a loose cannon that earned him the reputation as a"bad-ass cop"? Some would probably classify his actions at the bank as "reckless" though I think most of us see it as "getting the job done." Too bad we couldn't have gotten a glimpse of sighted Jim in action outside of the bank.
He is constantly on edge and being defensive - he blames himself for not catching the running perp even if nobody else does.
but is Jim calling Dr. Galloway "Darling"
