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Post by anna on Jun 21, 2006 17:07:58 GMT -5
Since the cell service was a ploy to get Jim into the back yard, what was it with his losing his bag enroute to work? Was it just a continuity problem? I was trying to remember, did all of the continuity problems occur in situations like this, when one scene was shot at a NYC exterior, but then the preceding or following scene was shot (who knows how many weeks earlier or later) on the sound stage in LA? It's still sloppy work, but I would have a bit more sympathy for the continuity and props staff.
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Post by Dreamfire on Jun 21, 2006 23:11:28 GMT -5
Since the cell service was a ploy to get Jim into the back yard, what was it with his losing his bag enroute to work? Was it just a continuity problem? Did props forget to hand him the bag when they shot the scene? Oh, prop boy!!! I can't see the writer's bailing, though it would have been more convincing having Jim trying to find his satchel and Hank and having to explain how the computer got broken, since I could just see that cab running over it! I justified it in my mind like this. This was not the trip to the station. This was during a lunch break or parkthe dog break or something, when his computer bag was already safely at the squad. ;D
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Post by greenbeing on Jun 22, 2006 16:49:54 GMT -5
Speaking of continuity issues...
I watched FFU last night, and during the debut of the Good Doctor, I realized that not only does this take place after the dinner party, an entire day after Fisk ordered Dunbar to go, which we've been discussing for a while. But also, I noticed that, what is probably a week later, assuming Jim has to go see Galloway once a week, that it's not until RTT when he mentions the dinner party ("We got into it a little the other night--we went to this dinner party, and things got a little tense"), which should have been old hat, water under the bridge, and all sorts of cliches by then.
Meaning, the first time Jim saw Dr. G, the party would have been fresh in his mind. Would our detective still be obsessing about it a week later? Or with all the rearranging and splicing of scenes, perhaps they had to put that gem elsewhere and hoped no one would pay attention to the timing?
--GB
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Post by Duchess of Lashes on Sept 2, 2006 11:36:26 GMT -5
With some very unexpected time on my hands last night, I sat down and read this thread again. Shmeep's recap is brilliant, the posts are thought-provoking but one thing I find interesting is that no one has questioned what it is that made Christie turn around. She had her bag packed, she had her mind made up, she was past the point of talking. Did a walk in the rain allow her to cleanse her mind and cool her anger and hurt? Did she come back out of pity or guilt? Was it because, unsure though she may have been at the time, she was at least willing to try to venture past the transgressions of her husband and move on with that new person he had become? Thoughts anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2006 13:02:12 GMT -5
With some very unexpected time on my hands last night, I sat down and reread this thread again. Shmeep's recap is brilliant, the posts are thought-provoking but one thing I find interesting is that no one has questioned what it is that made Christie turn around. She had her bag packed, she had her mind made up, she was past the point of talking. Did a walk in the rain allow her to cleanse her mind and cool her anger and hurt? Did she come back out of pity or guilt? Was it because, unsure though she may have been at the time, she was at least willing to try to venture past the transgressions of her husband and move on with that new person he had become? Thoughts anyone? Personally speaking, if I may, I think when you have so much time invested in a relationship, it's really hard to just walk away. I can't help but add, however, that Jim's current situation, in my mind, lent to her decision to come back. Pity I think may be too harsh, but certainly concern for his well-being. In that regard (odd as this may be) I know that my mother was ready to leave my father, that was it, it was over. Then he was in a horrible accident that, of course, altered her "plans" if you will. At best, it's human nature, I think, to not leave someone when they are at their lowest. Also, there's always that feeling of "tomorrow will be a better day." A marriage is just not something you walk away from - and I know there are circumstances where that is the ultimate action one must take. But on a whole, I don't think things are as bleak as they seem at the moment - there's always room for improvement and growth and let's face it, we all want to with that someone we vowed to love and honor. It's not easy, but it's a good fight.
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Post by mlm828 on Sept 2, 2006 15:43:24 GMT -5
With some very unexpected time on my hands last night, I sat down and reread this thread again. Shmeep's recap is brilliant, the posts are thought-provoking but one thing I find interesting is that no one has questioned what it is that made Christie turn around. She had her bag packed, she had her mind made up, she was past the point of talking. Did a walk in the rain allow her to cleanse her mind and cool her anger and hurt? Did she come back out of pity or guilt? Was it because, unsure though she may have been at the time, she was at least willing to try to venture past the transgressions of her husband and move on with that new person he had become? Thoughts anyone? Personally speaking, if I may, I think when you have so much time invested in a relationship, it's really hard to just walk away. I can't help but add, however, that Jim's current situation, in my mind, lent to her decision to come back. Pity I think may be too harsh, but certainly concern for his well-being. In that regard (odd as this may be) I know that my mother was ready to leave my father, that was it, it was over. Then he was in a horrible accident that, of course, altered her "plans" if you will. At best, it's human nature, I think, to not leave someone when they are at their lowest. Also, there's always that feeling of "tomorrow will be a better day." A marriage is just not something you walk away from - and I know there are circumstances where that is the ultimate action one must take. But on a whole, I don't think things are as bleak as they seem at the moment - there's always room for improvement and growth and let's face it, we all want to with that someone we vowed to love and honor. It's not easy, but it's a good fight. I agree that Christie's return at the end of "Four Feet Under" always seemed a little too quick and was not adequately explained. (This is not necessarily a bad thing, as it gives us more to chew on . I recall RE saying, in one of his interviews at the time the series began, that Christie's leaving was originally intended to be part of the Pilot. He thought this would have been a terrible idea, as people would hate the character. For whatever reason, this part of the story ended up in the second episode, and apparently they felt they needed to resolve it by the end of the episode. We can theorize it might have been more fully developed if there had been a 90-minute or two-part Pilot. Be that as it may, I don't think Christie came back out of pity. She may very well have felt pity for Jim earlier, but by the time the series begins, she's well beyond that point. In my opinion, pity is one emotion we don't see her display toward Jim. And in their personal relationship, she is not going to cut him any slack because he's blind. Isn't that the point of what she says before she leaves? She's put her own needs on hold because he was shot, and she's not going to do that anymore. So why did she come back at the end of "Four Feet Under"? Maybe she did need that walk in the rain to cool down. Or maybe, as LL suggests, she was willing to take a chance that Jim had indeed become a new person. Or, as Bebe suggests, she realized that she had too much invested in their relationship to walk away, especially considering what they must have gone through in the past year. Or maybe she realized that she needed to deal with her feelings of hurt and betrayal and to heal, and she could not do that by running away. Or maybe she still loves him in spite of everything. Or all of the above.
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Post by hoosier on Sept 2, 2006 17:06:08 GMT -5
Everyone has made some excellent points and I have to agree with all of them. Theres no one reason why she came back just as its hard to point to one reason why she walked out, even though she told Jim it was mainly because he seemed to have his life back on track while she was still stuck in the past. Jealous? Envious? I do think it came to a head when he accused her of thinking of running off with Clay, confirming, at least in his own mind, that she was as capable as he had been of being unfaithful. There were still things he was not ready to talk about and until they did, neither of them would heal.
As to why she came back? Probably a compilation of things and she probably couldn't even say why but I think mainly it was because she still loves Jim and wants to make their marriage work. But it doesn't stand a chance until he is ready to face his demons (the infidelity , the loss of his sight, etc.), and until he is ready to share the good and the bad with her. In Marlon's Brando, she tells him she would rather have a man who would talk to her than a protector. She waits for this to happen, with growing impatience, until Doggone, when she finally tells him that she doesn't think it will work out. Jim seems to have been clueless as to the seriousness of the problem until recently and this forces him to take action and suggest seeing 'someone' so they can at least try to salvage their marriage. Hmmm, Jim and Christie's story arc flies under the radar but it does follow along nicely, doesn't it!
Rambling along here but it seems to boil down to the fact that Jim is unable or unwilling to open up to Christie. Just talk. One reason for his infidelity? A problem they always had or one exacerbated by his blindness and need to be independent?? It seems in FFU, she was willing to give him a third chance (he already had had a second when she stayed with him after the shooting), not out of pity or obligation but because she loves him.
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