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Post by doobrah on Aug 23, 2005 8:50:22 GMT -5
I'm not exactly Miss Health Food 2005, but isn't wheatgrass juice something you get at the smoothie bar for a colon cleanse? I thought it was a laxative, not a beer chaser.
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Post by dott on Aug 23, 2005 9:09:42 GMT -5
Great recap Shmeep, the screencaps really add to the enjoyment. You highlighted the perfect visuals both the poignant and hilarious.It's almost as good as seeing the show all over again. Your comments in the synopsis of each chapter are warmups of how well your fan fiction is plotted. I enjoy your storyline taking the reader one step further, and the little quirks of each character are so faithful to the show.
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Post by shmeep on Aug 23, 2005 9:26:56 GMT -5
I'm not exactly Miss Health Food 2005, but isn't wheatgrass juice something you get at the smoothie bar for a colon cleanse? I thought it was a laxative, not a beer chaser. Quite right, Doobrah. I don't know about the colon cleansing aspect of it, but I have seen wheatgrass juice at health food stores. Just another of Marty's witty comments! And it always did crack me up, the thought of telling a blind guy his shot was wheatgrass juice. That Marty! |
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Post by shmeep on Aug 23, 2005 9:27:34 GMT -5
Great recap Shmeep, the screencaps really add to the enjoyment. You highlighted the perfect visuals both the poignant and hilarious.It's almost as good as seeing the show all over again. Your comments in the synopsis of each chapter are warmups of how well your fan fiction is plotted. I enjoy your storyline taking the reader one step further, and the little quirks of each character are so faithful to the show. Wow! Thanks, Dott. |
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Post by hoosier on Aug 23, 2005 17:39:18 GMT -5
Shmeep--thanks again for doing another of the episodes. I just love reading--and seeing--them again. You pick just the right cap to go with the storyline. I too really enjoyed the chess scene. Bravo and applause!!!!
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Post by kenina on Aug 23, 2005 18:01:29 GMT -5
Quite right, Doobrah. I don't know about the colon cleansing aspect of it, but I have seen wheatgrass juice at health food stores. Just another of Marty's witty comments! And it always did crack me up, the thought of telling a blind guy his shot was wheatgrass juice. That Marty! Exactly - the wheatgrass juice comment was just Marty being a smartass - in other words, he was telling Jim don't worry about what it is, just shut up and drink it! I so love that scene - except for the poor editing. |
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Post by hoosier on Sept 24, 2005 17:45:57 GMT -5
I happened to watch this episode last weekend--not one of my favorites but I have some thoughts on it so here goes--- I have two really big problems with this episode-- 1.how could they have released the victim without a positive ID. I know the wife said it was her husband, they all assumed it was her husband but there could be no visual ID and if they had taken fingerprints they would have known. Was that one reason she wanted to cremate the body as soon as possible??? 2.how soon is a crime scene released--when Jim and Karen went to talk to the wife,I think the same day as the murder,maybe the next, there were professional cleaners doing their job in the crime scene/living room. Wasn't that a little soon --after all the 'husband' was killed by an intruder who broke into their home. 3.personal peeve--the library book on the shelf. I work in a library and more books are overdue because people put them on the shelf with their own books and then can't find them!  There were some great scenes in this epi--the chess match,Fisk and his "I also used to be a detective' line, Jim's 'this has been such a long day' line and of course the guy's at the bar ;D. A couple of positive things came out for Jim in this one. He seemed to be trying to exhert his independence on the job a little bit more. After Karen left him at the scene in Past Imperfect, it seems he was trying to prove,if only to himself, that he didn't have to totally rely on her to move around. The example was in the chess match where he said he would find the tables on his own. Maybe Karen leaving him like that in PI shook his complacency. Maybe he felt a little more secure in his own abilty to handle situations and connect with people. The other was his confrontation with Karen in the break room. He had already told Fisk that they would work out their problems. When he faced Karen he was rather glib and rather flippant telling her he needed her like flowers need the rain. The old Jimmy probably had a line for everything and was probably used to talking his way out of most situations.Karen wasn't having any of it and called him on it and he couldn't answer her truthfully. He probably thought she was being an emotional female and was ready to blow her off like he would have Christie in a similar situation but this is his partner and he can't alienate her. This gave Jim a wake-up call. He had to acknowledge that she had a legitimate beef and that he actually might have made a mistake in going to Nick first. Thank goodness he didn't talk to the guys about what was bothering Karen!!! Also, the man they brought in to confirm the one suspect's alibai--the one in the nice suit--I thought that was a nice touch instead of having him another low-life. That would have been too easy. And the guy was swirming,having to come back through the squad room. Serves him right! |
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Post by kytdunne on Sept 25, 2005 1:41:53 GMT -5
I have two really big problems with this episode-- 1.how could they have released the victim without a positive ID. I know the wife said it was her husband, they all assumed it was her husband but there could be no visual ID and if they had taken fingerprints they would have known. Was that one reason she wanted to cremate the body as soon as possible??? Unless they had reason to think the wife was lying, there wasn't any reason to take fingerprints after he'd been positively ID'd by his wife in his own home. Every test run is costly and time-consuming and not everyone has prints on file. And yeah, that's why she was in a rush to cremate the body. A couple of positive things came out for Jim in this one. He seemed to be trying to exhert his independence on the job a little bit more. After Karen left him at the scene in Past Imperfect, it seems he was trying to prove,if only to himself, that he didn't have to totally rely on her to move around. The example was in the chess match where he said he would find the tables on his own. Maybe Karen leaving him like that in PI shook his complacency. Maybe he felt a little more secure in his own abilty to handle situations and connect with people. I liked that. And it carried through nicely for the rest of the eps as he expanded his range, so to speak. The other was his confrontation with Karen in the break room. He had already told Fisk that they would work out their problems. When he faced Karen he was rather glib and rather flippant telling her he needed her like flowers need the rain. The old Jimmy probably had a line for everything and was probably used to talking his way out of most situations.Karen wasn't having any of it and called him on it and he couldn't answer her truthfully. He probably thought she was being an emotional female and was ready to blow her off like he would have Christie in a similar situation but this is his partner and he can't alienate her. This gave Jim a wake-up call. He had to acknowledge that she had a legitimate beef and that he actually might have made a mistake in going to Nick first. Thank goodness he didn't talk to the guys about what was bothering Karen!!! I see that whole scene differently, namely that Bettancourt was being an irrational female and much as he'd have liked to have blown her off, being as they're partners and he has to work with her, he couldn't, so didn't. He did try multiple approaches, and was rebuffed each time. Of course, I don't think his mistake was in going to Nick first. The only one he made was not giving her the rest of the info when Nick called off their relationship on false pretenses. But he'd have had to have picked his time carefully and that would've felt like putting his head in the guillotine so I don't really blame him for wussing out on telling her. Kyt |
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Post by mlm828 on Sept 25, 2005 2:40:10 GMT -5
I have two really big problems with this episode-- 1.how could they have released the victim without a positive ID. I know the wife said it was her husband, they all assumed it was her husband but there could be no visual ID and if they had taken fingerprints they would have known. Was that one reason she wanted to cremate the body as soon as possible??? Unless they had reason to think the wife was lying, there wasn't any reason to take fingerprints after he'd been positively ID'd by his wife in his own home. Every test run is costly and time-consuming and not everyone has prints on file. And yeah, that's why she was in a rush to cremate the body. I'm with you here, Kyt. At the outset, there was no reason to question Joan's statement that the deceased was her husband. Ironically, as things turned out, the quick cremation didn't help the Tuxhorns. Once it was established that Jerry was alive, identifying the victim wasn't essential from the point of view of the case (it was, of course, for his family and friends). At that point, what was important was that the deceased wasn't Jerry Tuxhorn. They did not need to identify the victim to establish this; it could be established by showing that Jerry was still alive. The other was his confrontation with Karen in the break room. He had already told Fisk that they would work out their problems. When he faced Karen he was rather glib and rather flippant telling her he needed her like flowers need the rain. The old Jimmy probably had a line for everything and was probably used to talking his way out of most situations.Karen wasn't having any of it and called him on it and he couldn't answer her truthfully. He probably thought she was being an emotional female and was ready to blow her off like he would have Christie in a similar situation but this is his partner and he can't alienate her. This gave Jim a wake-up call. He had to acknowledge that she had a legitimate beef and that he actually might have made a mistake in going to Nick first. Thank goodness he didn't talk to the guys about what was bothering Karen!!! I see that whole scene differently, namely that Bettancourt was being an irrational female and much as he'd have liked to have blown her off, being as they're partners and he has to work with her, he couldn't, so didn't. He did try multiple approaches, and was rebuffed each time. Kyt I agree here, too. I didn't think Jim was blowing off Karen. He apologized several times and seemed truly baffled as to why she was so mad and wouldn't accept his apologies. I think Karen was simply too mad to accept his apology right away and, in her own words, needed time to cool off. She eventually came around after she had time to cool off, and she realized she wasn't only mad at Jim over the way he handled the situation, she was also sensitive about her "bad history picking guys" and embarrassed that Jim knew about Nick. Nick's showing her (in their conversation at the coffee shop) what a loser he was also contributed to her eventually coming around and accepting Jim's apology. |
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Post by doobrah on Sept 25, 2005 12:04:28 GMT -5
Something else that has bothered me, and maybe it really should go in the bloopers section, is that the guy whose face is shot off in the beginning appears to have had a few too many Krispy Kremes. I mean, he's a potbellied guy under that sheet!!
Then when we see the real Jerry later prancing in his underwear, his body type is nowhere near that of the guy under the sheet. He's much skinnier.
Since Joan was the one to (mis)identify the body, I guess it really doesn't matter that the two men don't have the same body type -- but wasn't that supposed to be the premise of the story? That the dead guy resemble the perpetrator, especially since the face was to be shot off (yuck)?
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Post by kytdunne on Sept 26, 2005 22:05:17 GMT -5
Something else that has bothered me, and maybe it really should go in the bloopers section, is that the guy whose face is shot off in the beginning appears to have had a few too many Krispy Kremes. I mean, he's a potbellied guy under that sheet!! Then when we see the real Jerry later prancing in his underwear, his body type is nowhere near that of the guy under the sheet. He's much skinnier. Since Joan was the one to (mis)identify the body, I guess it really doesn't matter that the two men don't have the same body type -- but wasn't that supposed to be the premise of the story? That the dead guy resemble the perpetrator, especially since the face was to be shot off (yuck)? Right, it really wouldn't matter as long as the men were generically similar, and no one who knows him well sees the corpse. And there's always the side issue of the odd things that happens to bodies after death. Kyt |
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Post by hoosier on Sept 27, 2005 17:58:16 GMT -5
The body sure didn't resemble Tuxhorn closely did it and I don't remember seeing any photos in their living room! They said that she chose this guy because he resembled her hubby. I don't think he had time to bloat that much--but thats TV!
I wasn't accusing Jim of trying to blow Karen off. He did try repeatedly to apologize. I think he was at his wits end and resorted to humor that definitely fell flat! He just didn't seem to be able to grasp the fact that Karen was soooo angry with him that nothing he did would make it better. I think he did finally get it when she nailed him with the fact that he wouldn't have done it if she had been his "male" partner. I think part of her anger was that since she is a woman, for some reason he feels that he needs to *take care* of her. That may not have been the case, but I think that may have been part of Karen's problem.
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Post by kytdunne on Sept 28, 2005 0:20:09 GMT -5
The body sure didn't resemble Tuxhorn closely did it and I don't remember seeing any photos in their living room! They said that she chose this guy because he resembled her hubby. I don't think he had time to bloat that much--but thats TV! I wasn't accusing Jim of trying to blow Karen off. He did try repeatedly to apologize. I think he was at his wits end and resorted to humor that definitely fell flat! He just didn't seem to be able to grasp the fact that Karen was soooo angry with him that nothing he did would make it better. I think he did finally get it when she nailed him with the fact that he wouldn't have done it if she had been his "male" partner. I think part of her anger was that since she is a woman, for some reason he feels that he needs to *take care* of her. That may not have been the case, but I think that may have been part of Karen's problem. Okay, look at it this way: If all you've got to go on is the guy's physical description as it's found on his drivers' license, there's easily room for variances. So the question is: Do you guys think it's a blooper? Bettancourt came off completely irrational, and her excuses were all over the board, like Christie. IMO, the writers can't write females who are angry and deal with it directly. But that's another issue. Kyt |
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Post by maggiethecat on Sept 28, 2005 8:36:26 GMT -5
Okay, look at it this way: If all you've got to go on is the guy's physical description as it's found on his drivers' license, there's easily room for variances. So the question is: Do you guys think it's a blooper? Nah, not a blooper, Kyt. How many of us really resemble a driver's license description, or, for that matter, the ID photo? What a smart coroner would go for in a case like this, I think, would be the telling little details that match lifestyle -- condition of teeth, fingernails, etc. (I mean, using a homeless person who'd been living rough for years wouldn't work as a stand-in.) Given the time constraints of show production, however, I'd say this all worked very well in the context of the episode. As for the writers not being able to write angry women? Heh. I'd say they wrote 'em about as well as the costumer dressed 'em. Then again, if Christie and Karen had always been rational and made their points as well as we would have liked them to . . . well, where's the drama in that? |
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Post by hoosier on Sept 28, 2005 17:56:30 GMT -5
The "body" was only on screen for what 10 seconds? So it didn't really matter if he resembled that closely. I know when the really Jerry Tuxhorn showed up I first thought it was Anthony Heald (think I'm right),the guy from Boston Public! Must have been short on body doubles that day ;D
Maybe Karen was just having a bad day--we all have them--and it just contiued for two or three. Anyway, I think she did have a valid point concerning telling Nick first before her. It just doesn't pay to get caught up in co-workers private lives!!!
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