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Post by maggiethecat on Oct 23, 2006 17:51:13 GMT -5
Housecleaning again -- I've started a new "In Your Face" thread since the old one had gone off topic with some posts that included BIG photos, which caused the margins to go all screwflunky. As a result the last post, which raised some interesting points, got lost in the shuffle. As Tim Gunn says on Project Runway, "Carry on, people!" After Karen examined the body of "Jerry Tuxhorn", she gave Jim two options--no. one : "staying here" (with Marty and Tom) or no. two : going with her. Kind of a turn about for her, leaving Jim at a crime scene (she did it in PI but there she just walked off without him), but she really didn't want to be around him. How do you tell your partner to beat it without adding fuel to the fire? Jim, thankfully, made the right choice, going with the perfered option and thus avoiding Karen's cold shoulder for the time being. Can't say he doesn't learn from his mistakes! He was becoming a tad more adept at reading Karen's subtle verbal clues , now if he could only do the same with Christie! HI Hoo, Wow thisis a different take to the one I had. MInd you I think I am a tad hero worshipping of our bloinde dude. I found her dumping him in PI to be really quite mean and nasty. And I thought she was getting hinm back for the slight she felt. IN IYF I wondered what he was going to do at the scene, would Tom and Marty share info with him? I guess he must have thought they would and so , eyah you're right, this was a good choice. OOH, I'm just imagining what she would be like if he did go with her on a canvass and she was dumping on him. Mind you isn't he with her on the canvass in the very next scene? That yummy chess one? Confused now, A |
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Post by Dreamfire on Oct 23, 2006 19:21:49 GMT -5
I think that Dogma asked if her piccy could be shrunk 'cause she didn't know how. So if it's messing up the thread you can shrink it. ;D
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Post by hoosier on Oct 27, 2006 17:50:15 GMT -5
HI Hoo, Wow thisis a different take to the one I had. MInd you I think I am a tad hero worshipping of our bloinde dude. I found her dumping him in PI to be really quite mean and nasty. And I thought she was getting hinm back for the slight she felt. IN IYF I wondered what he was going to do at the scene, would Tom and Marty share info with him? I guess he must have thought they would and so , eyah you're right, this was a good choice. OOH, I'm just imagining what she would be like if he did go with her on a canvass and she was dumping on him. Mind you isn't he with her on the canvass in the very next scene? That yummy chess one? Confused now, A I am sure it would have been quite frigid if Jim had tagged along with her in the building. He could have suffered a debilitating case of frostbite!  I just found it interesting that she asked him if he wanted to stay with the guys or go with her. Honestly, what could he do at the crime scene? On the canvas, he could at least question witnesses etc. so it was pretty blatant on Karen's part that she did not want him around. He did go with her to the park because she could hardly have pawned him off on Tom and Marty a second time! Here we see Jim actually going off on his own to question someone (Lester) and even finding his way to the boards. Hmmm, I wonder if Karen secretly watched him as he made his way there.  |
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Post by Dreamfire on Nov 15, 2006 19:28:21 GMT -5
I am sure it would have been quite frigid if Jim had tagged along with her in the building. He could have suffered a debilitating case of frostbite! I just found it interesting that she asked him if he wanted to stay with the guys or go with her. Honestly, what could he do at the crime scene? On the canvas, he could at least question witnesses etc. so it was pretty blatant on Karen's part that she did not want him around. He did go with her to the park because she could hardly have pawned him off on Tom and Marty a second time! Here we see Jim actually going off on his own to question someone (Lester) and even finding his way to the boards. Hmmm, I wonder if Karen secretly watched him as he made his way there. By the look on her face when he says he's okay he'll find it on his own I'd say she'd be watching and hoping he'd need to be rescued! Okay, maybe not, but ... And for me it was very refreshing to see him off on his own, I wouldn't have minded more screentime on that particular wander over to the chess boards. If we had had further series it would have been a great angle to explore. By the end of this series when Jim asks her if she would be his partner if he didn't carry, I was of the impression that without a partner as accommodating as Karen he really wasn't going to be able to do his job. So some episodes where she wasn't around would have given the writers a chance to explore either that or to have Jim dig deep and find even more ways to get around the elephant. What do you reckon? A |
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Post by hoosier on Nov 16, 2006 18:39:15 GMT -5
If we had had further series it would have been a great angle to explore. By the end of this series when Jim asks her if she would be his partner if he didn't carry, I was of the impression that without a partner as accommodating as Karen he really wasn't going to be able to do his job. So some episodes where she wasn't around would have given the writers a chance to explore either that or to have Jim dig deep and find even more ways to get around the elephant. What do you reckon? A I agree that that would have opened some new avenues to explore, Ashatan, and the critics said that the story lines would be quickly exhausted! Hah! Jim is stuck in a way. To work in the field, he has to rely on someone not only taking him to the crime scene but describing it to him. And like Karen pointed out in Seoul Man, how would he even find his way back to the car without her? He probably could have done it but it would have been extremely difficult and really why should he? I think by In Your Face, he has come to realize that maybe he has become too dependent upon Karen and that is why he chooses to not only interview Lester on his own but find him on his own. Maybe he felt that he had to prove to himself that he could do it. It would have been fun to see him go out on a case with Marty or Tom. I could see Tom offering to lead him but not Marty. However, we might have been pleasantly surprised . |
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Post by krissie on Mar 3, 2007 9:43:31 GMT -5
Last night I got to see In Your Face for the first time. Today, thanks to the wonders of modern DVD recording technology, I got to watch it for the second time. Also, today, I've read through the two recap threads for the episode. (I really must get around to reading the threads for the other episodes, too!) Clearly, I was willingly suspending disbelief as I watched this one, because several plot holes that other people have pointed out completely passed me by. I certainly didn't notice that the deceased was pot-bellied and Tuxhorn was not. And, while I thought it odd that the body would have been cremated that fast, I did rather shrug that oddity off. I did, however, catch Christie's comment about needing to give Karen the name of the shop where she got her earrings. So... Christie didn't get them at a trunk show, after all, then. (And, what is a 'trunk show', anyway?) Being the sad person that I am, though, I got curious about that chess game. Now, I'm not a great chess player. Good grief! I'm not even a good one! I do, however, know the moves. And, in the dim and distant past, I played on my school team. (We lost a lot of matches.) So... Mate in five moves, eh? That would make it something like a 'Fool's Mate', maybe? No. I looked that one up. But, I discovered, 'Scholar's Mate' leads to mate in five moves, and the opening moves looked to be the same as the game in the episode. So I carefully watched (and rewatched) that bit of the episode, and came to the following conclusion. Jim really does play chess badly... even for a blind guy! As far as I could tell -- and I did peer very closely at the screen with the DVD on pause -- Jim moves his pawn correctly, but then moves a knight onto the wrong square. Now, I could be wrong about that; it was hard to tell, but it certainly looked that way to me. Next move, though, he knocks a piece over and it isn't righted. So, I'm thinking that, by this time, the chess board might be approaching chaos and poor ol' Lester, who obviously takes his chess seriously, might be getting just a little frustrated.  So... I wonder if, when Lester claims checkmate, he's actually being very tactful, and putting the game out of its misery! The odd thing (assuming I'm right, and I may well not be), is that Jim knows what to do with the chess clocks... and even that there is one next to the boards that needs to be tripped. He obviously does have a passing familiarity with the pieces and where they go. I just think he gets the details wrong in this instance. I don't think this detracts in any way from the scene, though, which I loved. Krissie <who hopes that this post doesn't make her seem completely obsessive!> |
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Post by rducasey on Mar 3, 2007 10:04:44 GMT -5
Krissie <who hopes that this post doesn't make her seem completely obsessive!> Are you kidding? Look who you're talking to here. As for the chess game, I know nothing about chess, but loved your take on it. As for the trunk show, I think we discussed that a Trunk Show can take place at a Department Store so it could very well be a store and a trunk show. I don't know the exact description of a trunk show, but I think a collection of designer's things. |
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Post by mlm828 on Mar 3, 2007 13:36:30 GMT -5
Being the sad person that I am, though, I got curious about that chess game. Now, I'm not a great chess player. Good grief! I'm not even a good one! I do, however, know the moves. And, in the dim and distant past, I played on my school team. (We lost a lot of matches.) So... Mate in five moves, eh? That would make it something like a 'Fool's Mate', maybe? No. I looked that one up. But, I discovered, 'Scholar's Mate' leads to mate in five moves, and the opening moves looked to be the same as the game in the episode. So I carefully watched (and rewatched) that bit of the episode, and came to the following conclusion. Jim really does play chess badly... even for a blind guy! As far as I could tell -- and I did peer very closely at the screen with the DVD on pause -- Jim moves his pawn correctly, but then moves a knight onto the wrong square. Now, I could be wrong about that; it was hard to tell, but it certainly looked that way to me. Next move, though, he knocks a piece over and it isn't righted. So, I'm thinking that, by this time, the chess board might be approaching chaos and poor ol' Lester, who obviously takes his chess seriously, might be getting just a little frustrated. So... I wonder if, when Lester claims checkmate, he's actually being very tactful, and putting the game out of its misery! The odd thing (assuming I'm right, and I may well not be), is that Jim knows what to do with the chess clocks... and even that there is one next to the boards that needs to be tripped. He obviously does have a passing familiarity with the pieces and where they go. I just think he gets the details wrong in this instance. I don't think this detracts in any way from the scene, though, which I loved. My knowledge of chess is very limited, and I wondered if Jim was just making random moves that made no sense. Shmeep, on the other hand, knows her chess, and here is what she said about that: Jim's moves were correct even if his strategy wasn't. He only moved his knight and his Bishop before getting reamed, so it appears that, while he had a visual knowledge of the game (as I do), he was a bit lost when Lester gave him the proper chess terms for his moves. Jim undoubtedly had no idea of how to picture where Lester's pieces were and he didn't leave any escape for his king so Lester had no trouble trapping him in a mercifully quick checkmate. |
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Post by Chris on Mar 4, 2007 16:51:34 GMT -5
Being the sad person that I am, though, I got curious about that chess game. No, no, not sad, just an enquiring mind like the rest of us.... Jim really does play chess badly... even for a blind guy! Heh So, I'm thinking that, by this time, the chess board might be approaching chaos and poor ol' Lester, who obviously takes his chess seriously, might be getting just a little frustrated. So... I wonder if, when Lester claims checkmate, he's actually being very tactful, and putting the game out of its misery! Too funny, I never thought of it that way but you may be right, poor Lester Krissie <who hopes that this post doesn't make her seem completely obsessive!> Don't worry, we are all obsessed with BJ here and it takes a lot more than analyzing a chess-game to be seen as completely obsessive. And besides, obsession with BJ is a GOOD thing Karma for analyzing the chess-game. Take care and keep smiling - you are not too obsessed - Chris  |
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I just found it interesting that she asked him if he wanted to stay with the guys or go with her. Honestly, what could he do at the crime scene? On the canvas, he could at least question witnesses etc. so it was pretty blatant on Karen's part that she did not want him around.
