Under the Gun

[Duchess of Lashes]

When the two officers arrived on the scene, Jim identifies himself to them, explains what happened (without mentioning the gun, just credit cards and money) and says he would like to do a full search of everyone in the restaurant. So, I guess they are cleared by the time he reports to the Squad in the morning.

Just before the two officers arrived, he also asked Christie if she saw anyone leave and she replied, "It was mayhem. Lots of people left."

With everyone else in the restaurant cleared, no way to determine who had been there and left, I guess the most logical place to start the investigation was with the two families.

And I love that screencap! Another incredible moment.

[Katryna]

longlashes said:

When the two officers arrived on the scene, Jim identifies himself to them, explains what happened (without mentioning the gun, just credit cards and money) and says he would like to do a full search of everyone in the restaurant. So, I guess they are cleared by the time he reports to the Squad in the morning.

You are right - I knew that either you or two other people I know who can recite entire episodes would refresh my memory!

[Duchess of Lashes]

Oh, I forgot to include dialogue in my post above - how very vague! So this is how it really went down:

"Excuse me, I'm Detective Jim Dunbar with the Eighth Precinct...Yeah, listen, a big fight broke out here. I, uh, I had a bag, it was stolen. It had all our money, our credit cards in it. I'd like to do a full search of everyone in the restaurant."

To which the Officer responds, "You got it."

[Katryna]

longlashes said:

Oh, I forgot to include dialogue in my post above - how very vague! So this is how it really went down:

"Excuse me, I'm Detective Jim Dunbar with the Eighth Precinct...Yeah, listen, a big fight broke out here. I, uh, I had a bag, it was stolen. It had all our money, our credit cards in it. I'd like to do a full search of everyone in the restaurant."

To which the Officer responds, "You got it."

I was wondering why no dialogue. I thought you might be ill! Karma for you for a job well done. If someone else gives you Karma you'll have 100!

[mlm828]

Jim says at one point (I think it's during his conversation with Fisk) that they've talked to "everyone" who was at the restaurant. So they must have done a lot of investigation, even if we don't see them doing it.

And while we're at it, let's have another screencap:

[hoosier]

One thing that bothered me about this ep was that Jim's bag was apparently the only thing stolen. It must have been for one of two reasons--to either get back at him for butting into a private party or to get back at the Postiglione family.

I don't think it was reason one. Just because one of them was drunk and had a rude mouth and Jim defended his wife's honor?They would be more apt to punch Jim's lights out than steal his bag, especially when they had no idea what was in it. Have to go more with reason two. Steal Jim's bag and get it pinned on the Postiglione family. It would show the kind of people they are, stealing from a blind man, and how they are not good enough to marry an Eastman. Possibly succeed in driving a wedge between the sister and her fiance. I can't exactly see good old Mr. Eastman offering his professional services to any of them free of charge. All in all, a win, win situation.

Jim's badge was evidently not in the bag or his problems would have been even worse, if that were possible!

[inuvik]

The last post in an episode thread was Dec. 9--time for another one!

I hope this hasn't already been addressed here. I watched this last night and noticed that after his bag is stolen, Jim immediately has a flashback to his shooting.

There didn't seem to be a direct correlation between realizing the gun is gone and his first thought being of his shooting. In wondering about this, I came to the conclusion that the shock of realizing his gun is gone must have reminded him how much he has lost. How much blindness has changed his life. Is this the start of him realizing maybe he shouldn't carry it anymore?

Anyway, to me it comes off as why the flashback. Anyone else agree with my theory, or have a different one?

Modified to add hoosier's thought from WAY back:

hoosier said:

It seems while he is waiting in the diner Jim is reliving the shootout--all the strobe light effects--because I remember seeing his eyes, the ones from the Pilot when he is assessing the situation. Its hard to catch it all it goes so fast! It was the last time he used his gun while sighted and now he's waiting to see if the gun will be returned.

[maggiethecat]

Thanks, inuvik!

It's a lightening-fast moment but an important one. I always thought the flashback referred to the last time Jim was without a gun -- technically, since out of ammo means the same thing -- and had to grab Terry's gun and we all know how that turned out. The other time we see Jim without a gun is in the dream that opens UoTR -- he's unarmed when he walks out of the diner and into the gunman's bullet. So I go for fear of being unarmed, and the possible consequences. And I think that's what he has to fight his way through to stop carrying the gun: the fact that he will be vulnerable, or even more vulnerable, without it.

[inuvik]

maggiethecat said:

Thanks, inuvik!

It's a lightening-fast moment but an important one. I always thought the flashback referred to the last time Jim was without a gun -- technically, since out of ammo means the same thing -- and had to grab Terry's gun and we all know how that turned out. The other time we see Jim without a gun is in the dream that opens UoTR -- he's unarmed when he walks out of the diner and into the gunman's bullet. So I go for fear of being unarmed, and the possible consequences. And I think that's what he has to fight his way through to stop carrying the gun: the fact that he will be vulnerable, or even more vulnerable, without it.

I never thought of that, but I love that interpretation and seems perfect to me. Thank you!

[hoosier]

inuvik said:

maggiethecat said:

Thanks, inuvik!

It's a lightening-fast moment but an important one. I always thought the flashback referred to the last time Jim was without a gun -- technically, since out of ammo means the same thing -- and had to grab Terry's gun and we all know how that turned out. The other time we see Jim without a gun is in the dream that opens UoTR -- he's unarmed when he walks out of the diner and into the gunman's bullet. So I go for fear of being unarmed, and the possible consequences. And I think that's what he has to fight his way through to stop carrying the gun: the fact that he will be vulnerable, or even more vulnerable, without it.

I never thought of that, but I love that interpretation and seems perfect to me. Thank you!

I like that explanation too. I might add that in his dreams of the bank ,both in the Pilot and UOTR, Terry is present. Maybe part of his underlying reluctance to give up his gun was because he couldn't quite bring himself to trust a new partner. He had been with Terry for three years. He trusted him and thought he knew him. Now he was going back to work in a new precinct ,in a new squad and partnered with someone he did not know and maybe, deep down, couldn't readily let himself trust. Karen had a tall order--not only show that she was willing to work with him and make what accomodations were necessary for his disability, but prove to him that she had his back. Only after all that was Jim willing to turn in his gun.

[Chris]

Maybe this should go in the "Blind Justice Guest Stars.." thread, but since it is technically not about a guest star but a "Guest Location", I'll post it here

A couple of nights ago I saw an episode of NYPD Blue where Detective John Clark is drinking in a bar, gets drunk and Sipowicz has to come pick him up.

The bar Clark is in is called "The Old Stan" just like the one Fisk worked in "A million years ago" - maybe it's the same?

The one in NYPD Blue also has a cop working the door, just as Fisk did.

Maybe the place really exists and it is Mr. Bochco's neighborhood-bar where he comes for a beer or two after a hard days work ;D

Or maybe he just uses the same name whenever there is a bar in one of his shows

Oh, well, I just thought it was funny

Take care and keep smiling
- Chris

[rducasey]

chris said:

A couple of nights ago I saw an episode of NYPD Blue where Detective John Clark is drinking in a bar, gets drunk and Sipowicz has to come pick him up.

The bar Clark is in is called "The Old Stan" just like the one Fisk worked in "A million years ago" - maybe it's the same?

The one in NYPD Blue also has a cop working the door, just as Fisk did.

Maybe the place really exists and it is Mr. Bochco's neighborhood-bar where he comes for a beer or two after a hard days work ;D

Or maybe he just uses the same name whenever there is a bar in one of his shows

Oh, well, I just thought it was funny
- Chris

Chris, I was thinking of this today and decided to google it. Seems like there is a bar in California with that name. Perhaps that is near Stephen Bochco's home. Anyone know where he lives. CA I'm sure. Karma to you for noticing this similarity.


The Old Stan
Hours: Wed-Thurs 5-9pm, Fri-Sat 5-10pm, Sun 9-2pm, 5-9pm
Cost: $8-$18
Accepted Cards: Visa/Mastercard
Location: Downtown Sonora at Stoplight

177 South Washington Street
Sonora, Ca 95370
[phone]