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Post by greenbeing on Mar 19, 2006 19:25:54 GMT -5
Here you go GB. I lightened it and enlarged it a bit which made it a bit blurry, but you can see the cookie and he does have his elbow on the table. You need a program to lighten pics. Being at the library, you probably don't have one. Thanks, BJ! The only program I could find was Paint, and it didn't have a "lightening" thing. It was a very grumbly program about resizing pictures and pixelating them and cropping. Of course, I'm rather computer illiterate if I don't have instructions. I might have all sorts of programs at my disposal and just not notice them! BTW, not only did he have his elbow on the table, he also was talking with his mouth full! Bad Jimmy! Looked like a sugar cookie to me. He only ate half--laid the rest on the table next to him when Karen came back with the swabs from the bathroom. I bet he'd have finished the cookie if it had been chocolate chip, but that was a great question, Anna --GB
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Post by greenbeing on Mar 20, 2006 18:50:39 GMT -5
I had never really thought about this until Saturday--I've never been very good at drawing parallels, part of the reason I was never an English major--but in Rub a Tub Tub, I finally noticed subtle changes in Jim's facial expressions when they started getting into Marybeth's affair, and talking to Eric about the affair also. I'd always wondered hot Jim could be so sure Eric was lying, but then I realized, he's been there before. He knows exactly what's going on and how to play the game. I'll have to watch it again from the beginning with that idea in mind, paralleling it to Jim and Christie's relationship.
--GB
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Post by rducasey on Mar 20, 2006 20:22:53 GMT -5
I had never really thought about this until Saturday--I've never been very good at drawing parallels, part of the reason I was never an English major--but in Rub a Tub Tub, I finally noticed subtle changes in Jim's facial expressions when they started getting into Marybeth's affair, and talking to Eric about the affair also. I'd always wondered hot Jim could be so sure Eric was lying, but then I realized, he's been there before. He knows exactly what's going on and how to play the game. I'll have to watch it again from the beginning with that idea in mind, paralleling it to Jim and Christie's relationship. --GB GB, I probably should not comment without watching again, but I too noticed this in watching Rub a tub tub in the past. I think there is a moment when they are talking with Marybeth in the interview room, and something she says causes Jim to put his head down, and I would think that he is thinking, "been there, done that", but I would have to watch again to see exactly where this occurs. Or possibly it is when they are talking to Eric. I guess this is a good reason to watch again. (I know this belongs in In your face, but I saw a similar reaction , when Joan Tuxhorn says "nothing in this life is guaranteed" and Jim seems to lower his head as if he's saying "you're not kidding.")
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Post by hoosier on May 16, 2006 17:00:20 GMT -5
When Jim is asking Christie for the mulligan to 'do-over' the past year and promises that he will never "do that again", I get the impression that Anne was the one and only time he stepped out on his marriage. I know that the script for the Pilot said that he had several but from the tone here, I come away with Anne as the only time. Any thoughts?
Or was this the only time he got caught?
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Post by maggiethecat on May 16, 2006 17:13:35 GMT -5
When Jim is asking Christie for the mulligan to 'do-over' the past year and promises that he will never "do that again", I get the impression that Anne was the one and only time he stepped out on his marriage. I know that the script for the Pilot said that he had several but from the tone here, I come away with Anne as the only time. Any thoughts? Or was this the only time he got caught? Since Karen's accusatory line about Jim's "bangin' every woman in the Two-Five" was cut from The Pilot script, I believe we were meant to think Anne Donnelly was the one and only time he strayed. I'm guessing the writers wanted him to seem flawed, but not tooooooo flawed.
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Post by Dreamfire on May 16, 2006 20:40:17 GMT -5
For me there are a few mixed messages on this point. In the show it certainlys eems that Anne was a one-of. However when Ron talks about his charcter insome of the interviews he says things like: ( And I am paraphrasing and would be hard pressed to go find where and when he said it) if he got his sight back he'd be straying again. I guess RE seees him as a omaniser who has been reformed by his injury. Also the relationship between him and Christie really is very strained and Jim is very unaware of her emotions. I get the idea he has always been so, it is not just that he cannot see her expressions. my 2 cents. N
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Post by hoosier on May 17, 2006 16:36:15 GMT -5
I felt that "that" seemed emphasized so I took it as the one and only along with Christie's "I can't go through that again". She doesn't seem like a total idiot and would surely have caught on if he had had multiple affairs. I agree that they wanted him flawed but not be a total sleeze or else no one would really care what happened to him.
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Post by mlm828 on Sept 15, 2006 15:55:37 GMT -5
Something occurred to me during my most recent viewing of this episode. We've commented before about the way Fisk and the rest of the squad (with the possible exception of Karen) don't trust Jim to conduct the investigation appropriately. It recently struck me that Eric seems to be aware of the attitude toward Jim (probably because he works at the 8th, too), and he tries to use that to his advantage, by complaining about the way Jim is conducting the investigation. Perhaps he saw this as a way to distract Jim or deflect attention from his own actions. It's also interesting that Jim is his only target, even though Karen is also a participant in the interviews which Eric complains about.
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Post by hoosier on Sept 15, 2006 17:24:17 GMT -5
Something occurred to me during my most recent viewing of this episode. We've commented before about the way Fisk and the rest of the squad (with the possible exception of Karen) don't trust Jim to conduct the investigation appropriately. It recently struck me that Eric seems to be aware of the attitude toward Jim (probably because he works at the 8th, too), and he tries to use that to his advantage, by complaining about the way Jim is conducting the investigation. Perhaps he saw this as a way to distract Jim or deflect attention from his own actions. It's also interesting that Jim is his only target, even though Karen is also a participant in the interviews which Eric complains about. How true. It also seems that Marty was a friend of Carl Desmond's (my take on it anyway) and I could imagine Marty venting at the watercooler or in the locker room about the new guy in the squad. He had no qualms saying it to Jim's face so I'm sure he said it in other places and to other people.
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Post by mlm828 on Sept 15, 2006 19:22:49 GMT -5
It also seems that Marty was a friend of Carl Desmond's (my take on it anyway) and I could imagine Marty venting at the watercooler or in the locker room about the new guy in the squad. He had no qualms saying it to Jim's face so I'm sure he said it in other places and to other people. It's certainly possible. We know that Marty knew Carl well enough that he'd met Carl's wife, the charming Mary Beth. Regardless of how well Marty and Carl knew each other, I suspect that police stations are as gossipy as any other workplace. No doubt there was widespread discussion and speculation at the 8th Precinct about Jim, how he was doing on the job, and how long he would last -- especially in the first week or two after his return to work, when this episode takes place.
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Post by Dreamfire on Oct 23, 2006 8:15:07 GMT -5
[quote It's certainly possible. We know that Marty knew Carl well enough that he'd met Carl's wife, the charming Mary Beth. Regardless of how well Marty and Carl knew each other, I suspect that police stations are as gossipy as any other workplace. [/quote]
What? Did I miss something? DId Marty sleep with Carl's wife???
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Post by mlm828 on Oct 23, 2006 10:31:38 GMT -5
What? Did I miss something? DId Marty sleep with Carl's wife??? Not as far as we know. But when Marty is arguing to Fisk that he and Tom, not Jim and Karen, should interview Mary Beth, he mentions that he's met her.
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Post by hoosier on Oct 23, 2006 18:14:58 GMT -5
[quote It's certainly possible. We know that Marty knew Carl well enough that he'd met Carl's wife, the charming Mary Beth. Regardless of how well Marty and Carl knew each other, I suspect that police stations are as gossipy as any other workplace. What? Did I miss something? Did Marty sleep with Carl's wife???[/quote] Gaaa! One of Maggie's famous spit takes!!!! Marty and Mary Beth! Together! In the same bed!!! If the opportunity presented itself, I imagine MB would have jumped at the chance. Marty...even he would have to be pretty desperate I think. I feel a little like Phoebe on Friends when she saw Chandler and Monica together for the first time! Its easy to misread (I did it in the Gilmore Girls thread) and come to the wrong conclusion but thanks for the chuckle anyway, Ashatan!
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Post by Dreamfire on Oct 23, 2006 19:18:10 GMT -5
*evil grin* Sorry I had to plant that image but it was like leaving the cat out with the cream and asking him nicely not to touch it. I'll cover your dry cleaning bill from the spit-take if it was red wine. a
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Post by hoosier on Oct 25, 2006 17:53:41 GMT -5
*evil grin* Sorry I had to plant that image but it was like leaving the cat out with the cream and asking him nicely not to touch it. I'll cover your dry cleaning bill from the spit-take if it was red wine. a No harm no foul! You just "put an image in my head" to paraphrase our favorite blond dude. I would like to think Marty had more intergrity than to hook up with a co-worker's wife ( not in any way am I slandering the blond dude ) but I have the opinion that Mary Beth happily chased anything in pants. She protested that it was Carl who made life difficult ("he pushed and he pushed") but if life was so unbearable, why didn't she just leave and make it on her own? She must be one of those women who just have to have a man in their life to feel complete.
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