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Post by lmoney on Jul 30, 2005 10:54:16 GMT -5
I've always thought Tom was a nice guy. He's a go with the flow kinda guy. He is perfectly content to let someone else ruffle the feathers. But, I also think he may be a fair weather friend when it comes down to it. Tom seems to be the kind of guy that wants to be liked by all, so when he is with Marty- he'll agree with Marty, and when he's with Jim, he'll agree with him. Conflict comes up when Jim and Marty are together- who should Tom agree with? I'm not sure he knows so the 'old smile and nod 'and 'stay out of it' works. I think he really likes Jim and so has stuck up for him on occasion. For as many times as he has though, he has done the same with Marty. In the end, I'm not sure who's side he's on. Maybe burning the candle from both ends?
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Post by kytdunne on Jul 30, 2005 11:30:45 GMT -5
You should transcribe all the episodes, word-for-word, into Braille and send copies to all of us to play with. What?!? And encourage you to run your fingers all over "Jim Dunbar"? Tsk. Kyt
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Post by kytdunne on Jul 30, 2005 11:39:28 GMT -5
My take is that Tom was accepting of JIM, but not necessarily of the idea of a blind cop. Good explanation. I got the vibe early on that Tom and Jim had respect and even fondness for one another, but that didn't mean that Tom thought the gun was a good idea. I wouldn't have put fondness in there, but Selway can work with the guy. Russo's problem is that he can't set aside his misgivings. Selway can, but he still has them. Kyt
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Post by kytdunne on Jul 30, 2005 11:54:18 GMT -5
I've always thought Tom was a nice guy. He's a go with the flow kinda guy. He is perfectly content to let someone else ruffle the feathers. But, I also think he may be a fair weather friend when it comes down to it. Tom seems to be the kind of guy that wants to be liked by all, so when he is with Marty- he'll agree with Marty, and when he's with Jim, he'll agree with him. Selway's demeanor is easy-going, and he handles everyone in similar fashion. He'll only take a solid stance when he feels compelled to, not based upon a popular position. Primarily, we've seen him in situations where his opinion isn't as strong as those voiced by others, and unless he feels something is wrong *and* requires interference, he doesn't bother.
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Post by mlm828 on Jul 30, 2005 16:04:38 GMT -5
Wow! -- some excellent observations on the whole issue of "What's Marty's problem with Jim?"
After thinking it over, I think it comes down to the one thing Jim can't change -- he is blind. After all, Dunbar's blindness is the central fact of the whole series. He can become more of a team player and he can stop carrying the gun, but he's still blind. Even though Marty accepts that Jim has good skills as a detective and can close cases, he's still not convinced a blind man should be doing the job. Remember his comment in "Fancy Footwork" (or is it "Under the Gun")? -- "He is on modified assignment -- he's blind." And think back to "Marlon's Brando," when he tells Jim if Karen had been hurt when Condell shot himself, he'd make it his life's work to get Jim off the job.
Marty may have accepted that Jim works there now and isn't going anywhere, and that Jim can close cases, but he's still not convinced that Jim should be a detective, because of that one inescapable, unchangeable fact -- he's blind.
It would have been fascinating to see how this played out, if only there had been a second season. . . .
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Post by Katryna on Aug 7, 2005 15:26:22 GMT -5
Here's some Seoul Man trivia :
Scott Michael Campbell, who played Jeff Dorsey in Seoul Man, played Paramedic Riley Brown in ER - Season 2. Riley was teamed with Shep (Ron Eldard's character) after Raul died.
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Post by dogma on Oct 14, 2005 22:16:34 GMT -5
just watched the remake of starsky and hutch,, and the korean man w/ the coke in his apt is the same man in seoul man
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Post by housemouse on Nov 4, 2005 9:14:45 GMT -5
Here is something I noticed in my most recent viewing of Seoul Man. At the very beginning Jim has gone into the store, "seen" the victim and called for an ambulance and back up. After everyone else arrives Jim is standing in front of the grocery being mad at himself for not catching the perp. As he stands there, a uniformed officer walks up and says "Do you want some wipes, you got blood on your hands." That echos in Jim's head, he is thinking that he does indeed have blood on his hands. And we're off with "angsty Jim" (thanks Maggie for a great term!) at full throttle.
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Post by minianne on Nov 4, 2005 16:36:50 GMT -5
Hi Mousie!
Funny you should mention Jim and the blood on his hands. I want to know if Christie sprayed that coat with Scotch-guard before he left the house that morning. The coffee gets knocked out of his hand...but not one drop splashes on the coat. Then, he mucks about with a dead body and didn't get anything on it either. Not even one smear of dead juices...
I've also noticed that that coat never gets wrinkled. The way he throws it over the back of his chair, you'd think that it would look like Columbos...
But, no...either his coat is super duper special or Dunbar's just especially neat.
Which is it?
xoxo M.
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Post by housemouse on Nov 4, 2005 16:48:05 GMT -5
Hi Mousie! Funny you should mention Jim and the blood on his hands. I want to know if Christie sprayed that coat with Scotch-guard before he left the house that morning. The coffee gets knocked out of his hand...but not one drop splashes on the coat. Then, he mucks about with a dead body and didn't get anything on it either. Not even one smear of dead juices... I've also noticed that that coat never gets wrinkled. The way he throws it over the back of his chair, you'd think that it would look like Columbos... But, no...either his coat is super duper special or Dunbar's just especially neat. Which is it? xoxo M. Can you imagine the tongue lashing Jim would get from Christie if he brought home an overcoat that looked like Columbo's? He probably runs by the cleaners on his way back to the apartment for a quick touch up. Another thing about the perp running into Jim and knocking down that coffee... It has always struck me that the masked gunman had quite a spring in his step for such a - shall we say mature - man.
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Post by hoosier on Nov 4, 2005 17:56:57 GMT -5
I guess that coat is like the proverbial white hat that never gets dirty or flies off the cowboy's head no matter how fast he's riding or who he is fighting with! The sign of the 'good guy' lives on!!!--if only in an expensive trench coat!!!
Right Minianne--I thought the guy was rather spry on his feet for a man of his age. They probably went with that adrenaline surge you always hear about! Or maybe he had some Red Bull that puts wings on your feet--isnt that what the commerical says?
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Post by maggiethecat on Nov 8, 2005 16:24:47 GMT -5
Can you imagine the tongue lashing Jim would get from Christie if he brought home an overcoat that looked like Columbo's? He probably runs by the cleaners on his way back to the apartment for a quick touch up. That's one expensive Burberry, and those things are made out of a beautifully tough gabardine that doesn't much wrinkle unless you take a blowtorch to 'em. I once researched the history of the Burberry trench coat for an article, and the fabric was originally designed to be worn -- well, of course -- in the trenches, where a little splashed coffee was the least of your worries! That khaki green color doesn't show dirt, and I'm pretty sure today the coats come Scotchguarded. They're basically bulletproof . . . so do you suppose that's why Christie bought it for him? So he could bash into stuff and spill stuff and still look spiffy? Which he does. Oh, baby, does he.
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Post by greenbeing on May 6, 2006 17:02:38 GMT -5
I have an addiction, I admit it. I think it's called Screencaptions disease. I uploaded a bunch for Seoul Man, playing around at work as usual. But I noticed in the "Got Kicked Out" thread that ashatan couldn't find a lot of caps for this eppie, and here I am at work, too tired to concentrate. With a little old computer right here at my disposal. And not a soul around. Only a "Seoul" around... (Apologies for the pun; I said I was sleepy!)
I uploaded them to the Photobucket site, but have yet to reduce them to 75% of original, so they're going to throw the screen off-balance. But I promise to fix them all tomorrow! Then we can start using them in all sorts of random references. Yaaaaayyy!
--GB
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Post by greenbeing on May 7, 2006 18:27:24 GMT -5
Just because I want to use some of the screencaps, let's do a Yun Family Pictoral History. Here's Papa Yun. Look at Papa run. Papa runs fast. Run, Papa, run! Even an old man can run faster if he flails his arms wildly. He also has a very good imagination, which he toutes every chance he gets. I'd hate to hear the bedtime stories he read his children, though. "And then Papa Bear imagined he strangled Goldie Locks..." "...but it was all in his imagination..." Papa Yun has a very florid and colorful language. His friends call him "Deseki," which means "offspring of a dog" in Korean. And here's Don Yun, who attends Craigmont Institute and has fond remembrance of a three-legged dog he once had. He is a very happy young man. Young Don is also easily surprised. Mr. and Mrs. Yun also have a daughter. Miss Yun likes to eavesdrop. Bad Miss Yun, bad. Miss Yun also has a fondness for tea and a young man named Mr. Lee. No one cared much for the future in-laws, so they had to be taken care of. Mrs. Yun wanted nothing to do with the rest of her family, so she hid in the bedroom the entire filming of this episode. --GB
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Post by greenbeing on May 7, 2006 18:54:45 GMT -5
Nudged when Karen calls out "Tape" and he ducks and then superglued when he has a hissy fit after Marty's jibes hit home and Jim shakes off Karen's offer for an elbow, "I'll just use my cane". Stuck for life with a BJ obsession with his reaction when she asks "How will you find the car?" Cruel Karen Cruel but very very realistic! Superb acadamey award acting in my opinion - Made me believe it is all real. I've always been curious about that bit. "How will you find the car?" In the Pilot, Jim was all for using his cane the day they went to visit Randy Lyman, leaving Hank to fester in the car. He would have just followed her, walking with her, using his cane. Correct? I never thought following her to the car would be that big of a deal, as Karen would have told him where it was when they got there. Sure, it's probably not as easy to walk with someone using a cane, but they could have a conversation, keep track of her... I just couldn't imagine that he would have to take her arm. Or don't blind people walk independently of their sighted friends without relying on them? In that crowd, sure it would be easier, but not a necessity, especially if he really wanted to play independent to make himself feel better. No offense to my darling German shepherd, but if guide dogs were really that much superior to cane travel, all blind people would use them, right? Not that I would know. Oh, Hank, darling, don't give me that look. Although the thing with the cane and the car are much later, after Lu Shin is killed, here are some of those missing moments from the beginning, at the grocery on Hester and Bowery, when Mr. Lee was killed. I didn't get them all, but enough... Where's Hank's harness? And then Karen showed up and cleaned out the cash register, making it look like a robbery... "You want some wipes? You got blood on your hands." "It was before." "Because after I heard the shots, the perp was out the door a second or two later." "How do you know?" "So he just ran right by you?" --GB
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