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Post by inuvik on Dec 4, 2006 11:30:15 GMT -5
Besides, given what we know now about the making and airing of the series, the people who made Blind Justice probably knew one season was all they were likely to get. Edited to add: Another possibility is that Jim decides he has nothing to prove and thinks about quitting, then decides against it. I think your latter thought--he decided against quitting. He liked being a cop, realized he could still do his job, and we're off and running. I'm glad you brought up the first part, because this puzzles me. If they thought they would only get one season, why film 22 episodes? They were happy to show them all even after cancellation (well, in some of the country anyway  ). Why not show all 22? They said episode 13 was the series finale. I think often a season for a new series is only 13 episodes, am I correct on that? Seems a gamble to film 22. Maybe this goes back to Bochco's pet project idea. |
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Post by mlm828 on Dec 4, 2006 14:08:08 GMT -5
If they thought they would only get one season, why film 22 episodes? They were happy to show them all even after cancellation (well, in some of the country anyway ). Why not show all 22? They said episode 13 was the series finale. I think often a season for a new series is only 13 episodes, am I correct on that? Seems a gamble to film 22. Maybe this goes back to Bochco's pet project idea. I've wondered about this, too, ever since we learned about the 22 episodes. It's my understanding that a full season is 22 episodes. The only explanation I can come up with is that maybe they didn't know, going in, that the show would be a mid-season replacement. But I'm just guessing. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2006 16:21:50 GMT -5
If they thought they would only get one season, why film 22 episodes? They were happy to show them all even after cancellation (well, in some of the country anyway ). Why not show all 22? They said episode 13 was the series finale. I think often a season for a new series is only 13 episodes, am I correct on that? Seems a gamble to film 22. Maybe this goes back to Bochco's pet project idea. I've wondered about this, too, ever since we learned about the 22 episodes. It's my understanding that a full season is 22 episodes. The only explanation I can come up with is that maybe they didn't know, going in, that the show would be a mid-season replacement. But I'm just guessing. They did know it would be a mid-season replacement and, from what I understand, "extra" episodes are always shot in anticipation of ratings; if the ratings are good, they air the season finale, if the ratings are pretty bad, the series finale gets aired. For example, I can go into a whole explanation about FF, my interpretation of what I saw, but I won't. However, this is what I know from my experience and from what my brother (who's worked for ABC forever) tells me. |
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Post by Dreamfire on Dec 4, 2006 20:24:24 GMT -5
I've wondered about this, too, ever since we learned about the 22 episodes. It's my understanding that a full season is 22 episodes. The only explanation I can come up with is that maybe they didn't know, going in, that the show would be a mid-season replacement. But I'm just guessing. They did know it would be a mid-season replacement and, from what I understand, "extra" episodes are always shot in anticipation of ratings; if the ratings are good, they air the season finale, if the ratings are pretty bad, the series finale gets aired. For example, I can go into a whole explanation about FF, my interpretation of what I saw, but I won't. However, this is what I know from my experience and from what my brother (who's worked for ABC forever) tells me. Bebe it warms my heart to hear you say that about the 22 eps.  I am confident that one day we will get them. Since we are all speculating on what might have happened I guess I will add my thoughts to the mix. u, oops, gotta go, I'll do it tonight. A |
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Post by mlm828 on Dec 4, 2006 22:13:27 GMT -5
Since we're getting away from the subject of "Seoul Man," I posted my reply on the "22 Episodes" thread (which is where I should have put my original post the other day  ) |
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Post by hoosier on Dec 5, 2006 18:27:11 GMT -5
Well, I will jump in with my two-cents worth concerning the esteemed Dr. Galloway's parting words to Jim--
I think he definitely does stay a cop. Maybe he has a crisis of faith along the way(already seen in some degree in Marlon's Brando and Doggone) but he will be a cop. He seemed pretty adamant about it when confronted by Galloway. Why else would he have been so persistent in getting reinstated? In going back into the field? It had to be more than just wanting to prove he could "still do the job". Being a cop is an essential part of his being.
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Post by Chris on Mar 7, 2007 18:26:36 GMT -5
And maybe the fulfillment of Galloway's statement has something to do with Jim's "embracing his blindness" -- something that I don't think took place in episodes 1 through 13. I have a question that is not exactly about Seoul Man but here it comes anyway. The term "Embracing Blindness" have been mentioned several times on this board. What exactly does that mean?? I know what embrace means in general but in this context I simply don't understand it. Can anyone explain that to me?? - Chris  |
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Post by mlm828 on Mar 7, 2007 19:09:20 GMT -5
The term "Embracing Blindness" have been mentioned several times on this board. What exactly does that mean?? I know what embrace means in general but in this context I simply don't understand it. Can anyone explain that to me?? - Chris You're right, there has been a lot of discussion about what "embracing his blindness" means and whether we ever saw Jim do that in the 13 episodes we saw. As I recall, the discussion started because someone (Steven Bochco, maybe?) said in an interview that by the end of the series, Jim would "embrace his blindness." In this context, I think "embrace" means "to accept willingly." At least, that's the dictionary definition which seemed to me to fit what Bochco (or whoever) was talking about. As I said in an earlier post, I think it connotes something more positive and more active than simple acceptance of his blindness as a fact of life. |
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Post by hoosier on Mar 7, 2007 19:10:33 GMT -5
I have always been uncomfortable with "embracing his blindness". To me, it means Jim comes to terms with his blindness but that also implies that he has yet to reconcile himself to the fact that it is permanent. If so, that was something I wished that they had more fully explored. I don't think that it means that Jim will celebrate his disability. That would be a little much to ask!
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Post by maggiethecat on Mar 7, 2007 19:39:32 GMT -5
Well said, hoosier! Chris, we have gone back and forth on this point innumerable times in the past. Embracing is quite a word to ponder. I think, perhaps (Sorry, Mr. Bochco), the more appropriate term would be "coming to terms with." Embracing seems a little . . . I don't know . . . touchy-feely? Coming to terms with, to me, sounds a little more brusque, a little more angst-ridden, a little more Dunbar-like. Sort of like, "Hell, there's no way around this one so let's just get on with it." But that's just me. Heh.  |
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Post by Dreamfire on Mar 7, 2007 22:12:59 GMT -5
I agree with you both. "Embracing" is such a strange word in that context.
Perhaps Boccho was talking off the cuff with his comment?
And then, since I can't read his mind, perhaps he really had some romantic idea of the character changing so much that he fully owned the situation and didn't resent it anymore. (As unlikely as that sounds for our blonde dude). It somehow brings to mind the line in Leap of Faith when Dunbar says "For the first time, I'm glad I lost my sight. 'Cause when I beat you 'til your kidney's bleed. Who's gonna believe you got attacked by a blind man?"
Anyone you think this is what Boccho had in mind? Acceptance, dropping the resentment, finding some advantage in it? Personally I resist the idea of finding advantage in it, it feels off but maybe that's what the producer had in mind?
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Post by bjobsessed on Mar 8, 2007 0:42:37 GMT -5
I don't think he'd embraced his blindness. I think he was just beginning to accept it. I always thought he looked a little bit peaceful at the end of FF. Something was a little different, but embracing it no way. Took me a lot longer to embrace my disability than a couple of months. I think he's still going to have some bad days, frustrating days. He just gave up the gun, and said he was over Terry a short time ago. That's an awful lot to deal with in a very short time because both of those things are connected to his blindness.
So the beginning of acceptance, yeah, but that's all.
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Post by Dreamfire on Mar 8, 2007 20:30:48 GMT -5
Well, O , maybe you are a good one to ask, what would "embracing" blindness look like? What would it entail and how would we know he was doing it?
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Post by Chris on Mar 9, 2007 17:11:44 GMT -5
Thank you for trying to explain that to me. I always thought that I didn't understand it because of a language problem, that the term embracing a disability was simply a term I did not know. I agree with you both. "Embracing" is such a strange word in that context. I agree and reading your explanations I think it's not because of language, I just don't get it. Acceptance, dropping the resentment, finding some advantage in it? Personally I resist the idea of finding advantage in it, it feels off but maybe that's what the producer had in mind? Exactly. By nature I am generally happy with my life, and I think that if I had a disability, my take on it would be something like "That sucks but otherwise, I am happy with my life" MLM said "to accept willingly" - I could absolutely do that but embracing it as finding an advantage to it, I can't imagine that. Take care and keep smiling - Chris |
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). Why not show all 22? They said episode 13 was the series finale. I think often a season for a new series is only 13 episodes, am I correct on that? Seems a gamble to film 22. Maybe this goes back to Bochco's pet project idea. 
I am confident that one day we will get them.
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