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Post by Eyphur on Dec 19, 2005 14:29:26 GMT -5
Doesn't he also pull his gun out again in Marlon's Brando when he comes home to his apartment and finds the door open? Again, he's not pointing it at anything, but it's out none the less. Yeah, he does. I forgot about that one. Guess I need to watch Marlon's Brando again. |
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Post by maggiethecat on Dec 19, 2005 16:21:27 GMT -5
Doesn't he also pull his gun out again in Marlon's Brando when he comes home to his apartment and finds the door open? Again, he's not pointing it at anything, but it's out none the less. Yeah, he does. I forgot about that one. Guess I need to watch Marlon's Brando again. Mea culpa, you sharp-eyed women! I guess I was thinking about the few (two) times he actually aimed it at someone purposefully. So does this mean I have to watch Marlon's Brando yet again? Quelle tragedie.  |
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Post by hoosier on Dec 21, 2005 18:00:41 GMT -5
Another bookend concerns Jim/Fisk and Jim/Bo. In the Pilot, Jim is in Fisk's office getting read the riot act about how he wanted to be in the field as opposed to the squadroom, remember the thing a cop looks for in a partner is if that partner will have their back and how he would earn their resepct faster if he would stay in house and offer support since no one wanted to go out on the street with him. Jim countered that if he wouldn't be here if he didn't think he could do his job abnd if it turned out that he couldn't he would leave. Wooo! Can you guess I watched the Pilot again today  In FF, Jim is talking to Bo in the interview room, arguing the case that all the promoters were interested in was the fight regardless of Bo's medical condition and that he faced the real possibility of being killed in the ring. Also, the promoters would be making the majority of the money. Bo said he needed the money to take care of his mother and that boxing was all he knew, calling Jim a well-wisher---wishing somewell well but not offering any tangible alternative to his situation. Jim could see himself in Bo's position not all that long ago and I think that was the main reason he let Bo walk out that door to catch the plane to Germany. |
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Post by carl1951 on Dec 21, 2005 19:13:32 GMT -5
Not sure if this qualifies as a bookend...
Pete's apartment trashed and smells;
Famligetti in the trash and smells.
Later, Carl
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Post by hoosier on Dec 22, 2005 17:33:27 GMT -5
Not sure if this qualifies as a bookend... Pete's apartment trashed and smells; Famligetti in the trash and smells. Later, Carl Carl, that is a good one ;D I happened to think of another bookend from the Pilot. Jim leaves for his first day back to work, he is nervous, tense--you can read that by the way he is really digging into Hank's ruff on the subway. He almost overcompensates with his joking, trying to put everyone else at ease. You know he has tried to go over every possible scenario to anticipate his reception, how he will handle cases (he had gotten up to speed on the pros homicides--almost wishful thinking he will be assigned to THAT case), how he will handle a new partner etc. By the end of the episode, he has proved to himself that he can still do his job, he has a partner who, though reluctant, is at least willing to work with him for the time being and he is able to point out the fact to Karen that " a year ago, if my lt. had tried to partner me up with a guy who could not see, believe me, I would've made sure that did not happen, so , the irony, it doesn't escape me" |
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Post by carl1951 on Dec 22, 2005 21:25:00 GMT -5
Up on the Roof:
Russo or Terry
Terry or Russo
Need I say more?
Later, Carl
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Post by maggiethecat on Dec 23, 2005 0:46:09 GMT -5
Up on the Roof: Russo or Terry Terry or Russo Need I say more? Later, Carl Well, Carl, I think you do need to say more . . . because I really don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about! May I gently and respectfull suggest that you and hoosier go back and reread this thread to see just what constitutes a "bookend moment?" As originally stated, it's either a device or image that is repeated with a twist -- call it opposite sides of the same coin if you like -- and it's the twist, the perceived difference, that drives home the point. Similarities in plot points don't really work, I think. Jim being nervous in the beginning of the Pilot, and then proving to himself by the end of the episode that he can do the job after nailing one perp? Sorry, but how is that a deliberately repeated scene or image? Hey, as you all know, I am the self-appointed queen of "Up on the Roof." Marty and Terry have basically nothing to do with each other -- in that episode or any other -- except they are both NYPD cops and both have worked with Dunbar. But Terry was Jim's partner, and Marty simply works in the same squad -- where's the correlation? Marty Russo plays a marginal part in "Up on the Roof." The episode is all about Terry and Jim's relationship, and how both men have come to terms with the shootout at the bank. Jim has moved on -- even more so by the end of the episode -- and Terry hasn't. That's the engine driving "Up on the Roof." So what do you mean by Marty and Terry? Nothing to do with each other in "Up on the Roof," as I see it. Unless you mean that, in general terms, both Marty and Terry cause problems for Jim throughout the series? Hmm. Seems a bit broad. So yeah, Carl -- you do need to say more! Or am I missing something here?! |
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Post by carl1951 on Dec 23, 2005 1:02:57 GMT -5
Let me see, how should I say this:
Didn't Russo "bump" into Dunbar?
Didn't Terry "shove" Dunbar?
Well bookends.
Just being there the same day, is miserable for Dunbar.
Later, Carl
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Post by maggiethecat on Dec 23, 2005 1:10:45 GMT -5
Didn't Russo "bump" into Dunbar? I thought I had "Up on the Roof" memorized!  Explain, please! |
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Post by carl1951 on Dec 23, 2005 1:13:18 GMT -5
I just have to say it. I will NEVER be queen of any of the episodes.
Love to you Mags.
Later, Carl
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Post by carl1951 on Dec 23, 2005 1:14:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry we posted too close
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Post by bjobsessed on Dec 23, 2005 1:14:56 GMT -5
Didn't Russo "bump" into Dunbar? I thought I had "Up on the Roof" memorized! Explain, please! I'm now totally confused. I think I'll have to put this episode on since I can't sleep anyway. |
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Post by carl1951 on Dec 23, 2005 1:16:46 GMT -5
I thought Russo Bumped into Dunbar in the squad room.
and didn't Terry shove or grab Dunbar and told him not to come back to his home?
I have descriptive and I try to hear both the dialogue and the description.
Maybe I'm wrong
If so, oh well.
Still they make good, miserable bookends, don't you think?
Later, Carl
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Post by maggiethecat on Dec 23, 2005 1:28:05 GMT -5
I thought Russo bumped into Dunbar in the squad room, and didn't Terry shove or grab Dunbar and told him not to come back to his home? I have descriptive and I try to hear both the dialogue and the description. Maybe I'm wrong If so, oh well. Still they make good, miserable bookends, don't you think? Later, Carl Mea culpa, Carl, and I bow to your imaginative thinking! And you're right -- I always thought Terry was being a HUGE jerk when he grabbed Jim as he was leaving his house. So yeah, Jim's been confronted by arrogant jerks all . . . day . . . long. Just when you thought you'd sucked every little detail out of an episode, here comes a board member to point you in another direction. We all had different reactions to this show -- which is, no doubt, what keeps these discussions so lively and impassioned. ;D Karma for you! Maggie |
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Post by carl1951 on Dec 23, 2005 1:34:59 GMT -5
Oh, Mags, thanks.
Mine is the less-detailed versions of Bookends, so any questions are welcome.
Another Bookend: Fisk grabs Dunbar's arm pulls him into a desk.
Didn't Fisk grab Dunbar's arm and pulls him out of the way of an officer in the squad room. (Lucy said it is quick and needs to be seen to be appreciated)
So Fisk can pull him either way...into something or out of the way of something.
Later, Carl
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