Bookend Moments

[carl1951]

Karma to you Mags for being a good sport.

Later, Carl

[mlm828]

Speaking of "Up on the Roof," I just happened to watch it this evening and wonder if these moments qualify as "bookend moments."

When Jim visits Terry in the hospital, Terry suggests maybe they can get together for a beer sometime. Jim responds, "I'll call you," but he's definitely pained at the idea:



Then, at the end of the episode, Karen invites him to have a beer and maybe bowl a few frames:



These two scenes seem to highlight the differences between Jim's present and former partners and his relationships with them. Terry invites Jim for a beer because, in his twisted thinking, he's somehow evened the score between them by "being shot." Karen's invitation is supportive, even kind, reflecting her awareness of what Jim has been through that day.

Even if these aren't "bookend moments," this thread needed some more screencaps!

[bjobsessed]

I just finished watching "Up on a Roof" I noticed Terry grab Jim, but missed Marty. Guess I'll just have to watch it again later today. ;D

[hoosier]

Maggie, thanks for pointing out my error. It was more of a progression than a bookend. I was reading more into it than was really there. I guess I got so caught up in the moment! Again, sorry!

[maggiethecat]

hoosier said:

Maggie, thanks for pointing out my error. It was more of a progression than a bookend. I was reading more into it than was really there. I guess I got so caught up in the moment! Again, sorry!

Hoosier, what are you apologizing for?! We all get caught up in the moment from time to time. We are passionate and questioning and inventive, all of us, and that's what keeps the discussion flowing in so many interesting directions!

So go put your feet up, have some Christmas cookies (or wheatgrass juice), and Merry Christmas!!!

Mags

[carl1951]

I believe this Bookend will qualify as the original intent of Mags:

In "Up on the Roof" Dunbar says he'd rather lose his sight than be like Terry. (para-phrase)
In "Leap of Faith" Dunbar says he'd glad he lost his sight before his finished "interrogating" Doyle.

Later, Carl

[carl1951]

I wasn't sure where to post this observations: I believe Dunbar drew a sidearm 6 times.

Pilot: Three--Fired two separate weapons at the bank and Drew one time at Lymans house.
Marlon's Brando: Twice--Once in Condell's apt and
once when he arrived home finding the door unlocked.
Seoul Man: Once--During the hold-up at the grocer.

Total: 6

[hoosier]

After the holidays I am ready to give this another shot!

This bookend concerns Jim and Galloway. In Four Feet Under, at his first session, Jim is cocky, self-confident, self-assured, the only reason he is even there is because it is a condition of his reinstatement. In fact he is so cocky, Galloway threatens to tell his superiors that Jim is suffering from Post traumatic stress and is paranoid. When Galloway admits that if he was in Jim's shoes, he would be afraid and Jim turns it right back on him with "afraid of what..." and ends by saying "I will make this work, believe me."

By Marlon's Brando, there is the opposite. Jim is no longer cocky or self-assured. He and Karen have just come through Condell's suicide and he is really shaken, not, as he tells Galloway , for himself but that he feels he let Karen down, he didn't have her back. Galloway askes him if he is admitting that he can't do the job and Jim almost grudgling says that "In a way I guess I am". Galloway tells him that this is the first time he has admitted to being less than a supercop and Jim responds "that's what I gotta be to pass the test". He has had to face the fact that it will take a lot for him to "make this work", maybe more than he anticpated or was willing to admit.

[bjobsessed]

hoosier said:

After the holidays I am ready to give this another shot!

This bookend concerns Jim and Galloway. In Four Feet Under, at his first session, Jim is cocky, self-confident, self-assured, the only reason he is even there is because it is a condition of his reinstatement. In fact he is so cocky, Galloway threatens to tell his superiors that Jim is suffering from Post traumatic stress and is paranoid. When Galloway admits that if he was in Jim's shoes, he would be afraid and Jim turns it right back on him with "afraid of what..." and ends by saying "I will make this work, believe me."

By Marlon's Brando, there is the opposite. Jim is no longer cocky or self-assured. He and Karen have just come through Condell's suicide and he is really shaken, not, as he tells Galloway , for himself but that he feels he let Karen down, he didn't have her back. Galloway askes him if he is admitting that he can't do the job and Jim almost grudgling says that "In a way I guess I am". Galloway tells him that this is the first time he has admitted to being less than a supercop and Jim responds "that's what I gotta be to pass the test". He has had to face the fact that it will take a lot for him to "make this work", maybe more than he anticpated or was willing to admit.

I think it's a bookend moment. If I'm wrong, it was beautifully said anyway.

That scene with Galloway is one of my all time favourite because the acting is great and it is also a defining moment for Jim. He is finally admitting that he can't do everything he did before and may have to change the way he does other things. Not an easy thing to do, but the first step in "being healthy so that one day it's not you sitting there with the gun in your mouth."

[hoosier]

I know this was never seen--call it a "what of" bookend--Jim and his coming to terms with his condition and deciding to enter rehab then fast-forward to Jim trying to convince Pete of the benefits of rehab in Shall We Dance! Maybe this would have fit better in the scenes we never saw category!

[Katryna]

Not sure if this qualifies or not, but here goes anyway. It's from Doggone:

From the first interview with Sonny, Sonny tells Jim that Debbie said "All I really want to do is get rid of the coke that we have". Sonny then remarks "that's all she cared about". (not his cousin, etc.)

Later, after Sonny emerges from the Dumpster and Jim is "talking" to him in the interview room alone, Jim says to Sonny: "The first think outta your mouth when you walked in the room was did we find the coke. It wasn't where Debbie is..." etc. "The only thing you were worried about was the coke."

[mlm828]

Here are two more "bookend moments" from the Pilot, which seems to have a lot of them.

When Marty asks Jim what's to prevent a perp from just taking his gun, Jim challenges Marty to take it, if he can:



Later, during the interrogation of Lyman, Jim prevents Lyman from taking his gun, after mocking him by asking if he wants them to get his mommy on the phone, or put a manifesto in the newspaper:

[doobrah]

Here's a bookend between two series:

In ER, when Shep (Ron's character) rushes into the burning building, he's referred to having "balls of steel."

Fast forward 10 years to Blind Justice, where Marty compliments Jim on having real "balls of steel" at the bank.

Coincidence? I think not!!

[Dreamfire]

I think I found one. Just happened to have Doggone in my DVD player and popped it on for a minute

In Doggone inthe opening scene when Christie has stormed out Jim is saying "Wait - don't go."
In the episode where Christie wants him to spend just a minute deciding whether or not he is going to Boston and he can't wait because there is a homicide. She is standing there open handed asking him to wait.
Bookends?

[maggiethecat]

ashatan said:

In Doggone inthe opening scene when Christie has stormed out Jim is saying "Wait - don't go." In the episode where Christie wants him to spend just a minute deciding whether or not he is going to Boston and he can't wait because there is a homicide. She is standing there open handed asking him to wait. Bookends?

Uh . . . how do I say this . . . uh . . . no. I think this is just an instance of a casual phrase repeated in conversation. You'll see what I mean if you go back and review the first page of this thread. Bookend moments were repeated scenes or devices, the second time presented with a twist. I think the best one is in "Marlon's Brando": Jim fumbling with his cane, using it as an object of pity when he's interviewing Nancy Dressler; and then later using is as a weapon, when he smashes it across Mark Watt's legs.