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Post by adl30uk on Jan 15, 2008 5:37:59 GMT -5
If you'd like a copy of dark angel just let me know, I've had it especially put onto dvd from a copy i had from tv, the quality is quite good and it's not available to buy in dvd format so if you're interested in a copy just email me  |
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Post by maggiethecat on Jan 15, 2008 12:28:57 GMT -5
So I was reading your Dark Angel posts, and realised that our very own Merle Oberon is in it. When I say very own, you know how her bios always say that she was from Mumbai - she was actually an Aboriginal woman from Tasmania (Palewa mob)who 'passed' - there was a lot of this! I knew she was from Tasmania -- as was Erroll Flynn?! -- but how do you mean "Aboriginal?" I'd always heard/read that she was Anglo/Indian -- lot of stuff about her in Michael Korda's books since she was briefly married to his uncle, film producer Alexander Korda. The saddest part of the story is that she apparently passed off her sweet little Indian mother as her housekeeper.  Nice to think that none of this would make any difference today, and that the Indian connection would just be remarked on as contributing to her extraordinary beauty. |
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Post by matilda on Jan 15, 2008 20:55:24 GMT -5
So I was reading your Dark Angel posts, and realised that our very own Merle Oberon is in it. When I say very own, you know how her bios always say that she was from Mumbai - she was actually an Aboriginal woman from Tasmania (Palewa mob)who 'passed' - there was a lot of this! I knew she was from Tasmania -- as was Erroll Flynn?! -- but how do you mean "Aboriginal?" I'd always heard/read that she was Anglo/Indian -- lot of stuff about her in Michael Korda's books since she was briefly married to his uncle, film producer Alexander Korda. The saddest part of the story is that she apparently passed off her sweet little Indian mother as her housekeeper. Nice to think that none of this would make any difference today, and that the Indian connection would just be remarked on as contributing to her extraordinary beauty. Aboriginal=Indigenous Australian Well the real sad thing is that the sweet little Indian mother wasn't even that, bless, she was Aboriginal Australian, from Tasmania (Aboriginal Australians from Tasmania = Palewa), so Merle triple passed her Mum and double passed herself. There you go. The real real sad thing is the racial mores of the time (and quite recently here, Aboriginal Australians didn't have electoral franchise until 1967) - passing as Anglo-Indian - much higher in pecking order, in fact anything was considered better than Aboriginal. Awful. Merle certainly wasn't the only one - there was a fair bit of passing in my family, too. And Wikepedia says that Errol, bless his swashbuckling, drinking heart, claimed that he didn't know Merle from Tasmania (it is a tiny place). Well Errol, old mate, I don't know that your families would have mixed in the same circles. Race has a horrible history here - as you say Maggie, nice to think it wouldn't matter now - in some parts of Aus it still matters lots unfortunately. Anyway you mob where can I get it? Amazon? Cheers M |
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Post by maggiethecat on Jan 15, 2008 22:03:10 GMT -5
Oh, thank you, Matilda -- what a sad and lovely post. I guess your Aboriginals are like our Indians, and treated about as well. Ah-hah! QUEENIE! "Queenie" is the novel that's the thinly-disguised life of Merle Oberon. A wonderful read, and it was made into a decent TV mini-series here, starring, as best I remember, Mia Sara (the girfriend in Ferris Bueller's Day Off). Anyone else remember it? And now, Matilda, can we talk about Merle in Wuthering Heights?  As for Dark Angel, my best suggestion is to get an American friend with Turner Classic Movies to TiVO or tape it for you when it next comes on -- that's the channel most likely to run it. You know I'd do it for you, but my VCR can't be hooked up (long boring story). I wonder of there's a Merle Oberon Fan Club that could help you? Or look back a few posts -- didn't our new friend Adele in the UK offer tapes? |
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Post by matilda on Jan 16, 2008 0:38:35 GMT -5
Oh, thank you, Matilda -- what a sad and lovely post. I guess your Aboriginals are like our Indians, and treated about as well. Thank you maggie, about the same really, give or take a few massacres.
This is why I refer to my Indigenous Uncle Carl of this very Board as Uncle Carl - in our culture we always refer to Elders by title, as custom/respect/manners dicate and I simply transpose customs!!People passed for all kinds of reasons and Merle was just one of those many people. The Anglo-Indian story was fairly typical - in our family some people said they were Irish (yeah I know, as if) and I know of others who 'were' Spanish, from the Pacific Islands etc, and there were different public stories even within families.
I know that passing was a big thing in the States as well and still, all over the place, people pass as all kinds of things for all different reasons. It's a harsh lifestyle from what I've witnessed and I would never judge Merle as I don't know her story, probably nobody ever will now, but I have a fair idea! Tasmania was brutal for Blackfullas then.
Her looks are in fact fairly typical of some Aboriginal women who have extra helpings of other genetic pools (she actually reminds me a bit of a taller version of my Mum) - suffice to say, I think she was fabulous and bless her for getting all the way to Hollywood and living and achieving like she did in those times! Just getting out of Tassie not to mention Australia was a huge feat in itself.
Ah-hah! QUEENIE! "Queenie" is the novel that's the thinly-disguised life of Merle Oberon. A wonderful read, and it was made into a decent TV mini-series here, starring, as best I remember, Mia Sara (the girfriend in Ferris Bueller's Day Off). Anyone else remember it?
No I don't but I'd love to read it - I wonder how much the author actually knew? Will amazon (if this is a verb now).And now, Matilda, can we talk about Merle in Wuthering Heights?
Anytime, my friend, anytime.As for Dark Angel, my best suggestion is to get an American friend with Turner Classic Movies to TiVO or tape it for you when it next comes on -- that's the channel most likely to run it. You know I'd do it for you, but my VCR can't be hooked up (long boring story). I wonder of there's a Merle Oberon Fan Club that could help you? Lot of bother for any American friend ...Or look back a few posts -- didn't our new friend Adele in the UK offer tapes?
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Post by Kasman on Jan 16, 2008 7:31:11 GMT -5
I knew she was from Tasmania -- as was Erroll Flynn?! -- but how do you mean "Aboriginal?" I'd always heard/read that she was Anglo/Indian -- lot of stuff about her in Michael Korda's books since she was briefly married to his uncle, film producer Alexander Korda. The saddest part of the story is that she apparently passed off her sweet little Indian mother as her housekeeper. Nice to think that none of this would make any difference today, and that the Indian connection would just be remarked on as contributing to her extraordinary beauty. Aboriginal=Indigenous Australian Well the real sad thing is that the sweet little Indian mother wasn't even that, bless, she was Aboriginal Australian, from Tasmania (Aboriginal Australians from Tasmania = Palewa), so Merle triple passed her Mum and double passed herself. There you go. The real real sad thing is the racial mores of the time (and quite recently here, Aboriginal Australians didn't have electoral franchise until 1967) - passing as Anglo-Indian - much higher in pecking order, in fact anything was considered better than Aboriginal. Awful. Merle certainly wasn't the only one - there was a fair bit of passing in my family, too. And Wikepedia says that Errol, bless his swashbuckling, drinking heart, claimed that he didn't know Merle from Tasmania (it is a tiny place). Well Errol, old mate, I don't know that your families would have mixed in the same circles. Race has a horrible history here - as you say Maggie, nice to think it wouldn't matter now - in some parts of Aus it still matters lots unfortunately. Anyway you mob where can I get it? Amazon? Cheers M Actually, there's still conjecture on exactly where she was born as there's no actual record of her birth and nothing about her childhood, etc that can be proved. Personally, I love the mysterious aspect of that. And yes, it's quite possible for people to slip through the system, even today. So really, who knows?? |
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Post by inuvik on Jan 16, 2008 12:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by hoosier on Feb 7, 2008 19:37:50 GMT -5
I am asking all of you to search your brains for the name of this show. It was a movie of the week that was on ages ago--a plane full of blind people crashed in a remote area and how they rescued themselves by eventually finding some train tracks. If I remember correctly, Alejandro Rey of the Flying Nun was one of the actors.
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Post by Katryna on Feb 7, 2008 20:05:25 GMT -5
I am asking all of you to search your brains for the name of this show. It was a movie of the week that was on ages ago--a plane full of blind people crashed in a remote area and how they rescued themselves by eventually finding some train tracks. If I remember correctly, Alejandro Rey of the Flying Nun was one of the actors. I didn't search my brain...I find IMDB a much better source! The movie was called Seven in Darkness based on the clues you presented. |
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Post by hoosier on Feb 8, 2008 18:39:15 GMT -5
I am asking all of you to search your brains for the name of this show. It was a movie of the week that was on ages ago--a plane full of blind people crashed in a remote area and how they rescued themselves by eventually finding some train tracks. If I remember correctly, Alejandro Rey of the Flying Nun was one of the actors. I didn't search my brain...I find IMDB a much better source! The movie was called Seven in Darkness based on the clues you presented. Thank you I don't know why that show suddenly popped into my head the other day but it was driving me crazy not being able to remember its name. For some reason, I never think of checking IMDB. |
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Post by carl1951 on Feb 8, 2008 22:18:52 GMT -5
There are two WWII movies:
"Bright Victory," (1951) starring Arthur Kennedy.
"Pride of the Marines,"(1945) starring John Garfield.
both about servicemen blinded in combat. It is something quite common with the Iraq vets.
Later, Carl
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Post by inuvik on Mar 27, 2008 14:15:15 GMT -5
There are two WWII movies: "Bright Victory," (1951) starring Arthur Kennedy. "Pride of the Marines,"(1945) starring John Garfield. both about servicemen blinded in combat. It is something quite common with the Iraq vets. Later, Carl I just saw Bright Victory and it is wonderful. It has all the things that we had hoped to see in BJ--ie. the rehab. He is blinded in the first 5 minutes, and sent to a Navy hospital. We see him go from suicidal (literally--he is cutting his writs with a razor and is caught just in time), to being hopeful about his future. It even brings in subtle things like racism. A real gem! I have also seen the other,  IMO. |
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Post by hoosier on Apr 4, 2008 17:55:39 GMT -5
Just saw a trailer today on msn for the new movie Blindness which is based on Jose Saramgo's novel of the same title. It stars Julianne Moore and Mark Ruffalo and I'm pretty sure that was Danny Glover I also saw. Go to msn videos then to movies and search by the title.
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Post by inuvik on Apr 5, 2008 11:10:10 GMT -5
Thanks Hoosier! I have been looking forward to this for a long time. The novel is quite absurb/abstract so I wonder how the movie will do? It may not go to all theatres if it is faithful to the novel.
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Post by Colorado girl on Apr 29, 2008 20:24:23 GMT -5
I have watched Desperate housewives the last couple of shows. It seems that Gabby's husband was blinded and the way they are writing this storyline is so politically incorrect. This wife makes Christie Dunbar look like an saint or angel or something. She was using her blind husband by making him sit in the car so she could use his handicap parking tag so she would not have to walk so far in her stillettoes. this last week he gets a guide dog and lets it "bond" on the bed. so she takes the dog back to the guide dog school and lies that it was not working out. The dog runs away and finds it's way back home. Could you imagine if Christie had done that? I guess this is why they call it a black comedy.
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IMO.