Blooper Reel

[rducasey]

kathy said:

In Four Feet Under after the scene with the Medical Examiner explaining her findings to Jim and Karen, they interview Lloyd Crider again. During the conversation Karen says: "The Medical Examiner said the arm was serious." I have played this several times and I hear Jim's next sentence as "He said it would be very tough not to notice".

Did anyone else hear this as "he"? Is this a blooper???

Yes Kathy, I agree, I do notice that everytime I watch that episode. He does say "he" in referring to the ME.

[doobrah]

kathy said:

In Four Feet Under after the scene with the Medical Examiner explaining her findings to Jim and Karen, they interview Lloyd Crider again. During the conversation Karen says: "The Medical Examiner said the arm was serious." I have played this several times and I hear Jim's next sentence as "He said it would be very tough not to notice".

Did anyone else hear this as "he"? Is this a blooper???

Definitely a blooper, but I attibuted it to the scriptwriter assuming a male would be cast as the ME, and they forgot to change it when the woman was cast. Or she was cast after the Jim&Karen scene with Lloyd was filmed.

[doobrah]

Here's a sort of blooper that gets me every time:

In "Seoul Man," in the beginning when Jim get's his coffee from the street vendor, he takes the cup and automatically turns the cup around so the opening in the lid is facing his mouth. He doesn't feel for the opening, he just turns the cup around so the opening is facing himself.

What's up with that? Our usual method actor Ron slips up on something like that?

[maggiethecat]

doobrah said:

Here's a sort of blooper that gets me every time:

In "Seoul Man," in the beginning when Jim get's his coffee from the street vendor, he takes the cup and automatically turns the cup around so the opening in the lid is facing his mouth. He doesn't feel for the opening, he just turns the cup around so the opening is facing himself.

What's up with that? Our usual method actor Ron slips up on something like that?

LOL! And who sells coffee on the streets of New York, anyway? That looks like a newsstand he's stopping at. Trust me on this folks, you just don't buy coffee at a newsstand. (That's what diners and Starbucks are for.) Then again, why would he be buying a newspaper?

Betcha it's a writer's device -- they needed something for the perp to knock out of his hand on the way by.

[maggiethecat]

doobrah said:

Here's a sort of blooper that gets me every time: In "Seoul Man," in the beginning when Jim get's his coffee from the street vendor, he takes the cup and automatically turns the cup around so the opening in the lid is facing his mouth. He doesn't feel for the opening, he just turns the cup around so the opening is facing himself.

What's up with that? Our usual method actor Ron slips up on something like that?

The only reason I'm indulging in this sort of minutiae-brained thinking (!) is because I refuse to believe Eldard got something wrong.

What if . . . man, this really is a stretch . . . what if Jim got his coffee there every morning and the guy opened it for him? Makes sense, really -- the opening on those lids is no more than a line, an impression you then have to rip back, a visual clue more than anything you could easily do by touch. So the vendor hands Jim the coffee open, and he knows to turn it around for drinking, going by the warmth and aroma emanating from the opening.

Well, like I said, I just can't believe Detail Man didn't get it right!

[shmeep]

maggiethecat said:

The only reason I'm indulging in this sort of minutiae-brained thinking (!) is because I refuse to believe Eldard got something wrong.

What if . . . man, this really is a stretch . . . what if Jim got his coffee there every morning and the guy opened it for him? Makes sense, really -- the opening on those lids is no more than a line, an impression you then have to rip back, a visual clue more than anything you could easily do by touch. So the vendor hands Jim the coffee open, and he knows to turn it around for drinking, going by the warmth and aroma emanating from the opening.

Well, like I said, I just can't believe Detail Man didn't get it right!

This one has been bugging me for a long time so I'm so glad you said something! It has to be something like that, Jim sensing the heat and aroma. Know why I think so? Because they shot a close-up of the coffee cup being turned, as if making some kind of point with that image. Would they do that if it was a blooper? Well...maybe, but it just seems too odd. If it was a mistake, I refuse to believe it was Ron's. Maybe the director had a reason for wanting that little moment and maybe it makes sense in a way that just didn't translate into film.

Have I rationalized it away yet?

[doobrah]

admin said:

maggiethecat said:

The only reason I'm indulging in this sort of minutiae-brained thinking (!) is because I refuse to believe Eldard got something wrong.

What if . . . man, this really is a stretch . . . what if Jim got his coffee there every morning and the guy opened it for him? Makes sense, really -- the opening on those lids is no more than a line, an impression you then have to rip back, a visual clue more than anything you could easily do by touch. So the vendor hands Jim the coffee open, and he knows to turn it around for drinking, going by the warmth and aroma emanating from the opening.

Well, like I said, I just can't believe Detail Man didn't get it right!

This one has been bugging me for a long time so I'm so glad you said something! It has to be something like that, Jim sensing the heat and aroma. Know why I think so? Because they shot a close-up of the coffee cup being turned, as if making some kind of point with that image. Would they do that if it was a blooper? Well...maybe, but it just seems too odd. If it was a mistake, I refuse to believe it was Ron's. Maybe the director had a reason for wanting that little moment and maybe it makes sense in a way that just didn't translate into film.

Have I rationalized it away yet?

Welllll...maybe.

But you gotta admit it looks funny!!! A blind man turning the cup around as if knowing by osmosis that the lid opening is facing the wrong way!!

[mlm828]

doobrah said:

Here's a sort of blooper that gets me every time:

In "Seoul Man," in the beginning when Jim get's his coffee from the street vendor, he takes the cup and automatically turns the cup around so the opening in the lid is facing his mouth. He doesn't feel for the opening, he just turns the cup around so the opening is facing himself.

What's up with that? Our usual method actor Ron slips up on something like that?

I noticed this, too. It raises another question, aside from how he knows where the opening is. Why open the opening in the lid in the first place? Is Jim going to "drink and walk"? Doesn't he have enough to concentrate on while navigating to the precinct?

I tend to agree with maggie that Jim has the coffee because the writers wanted something that could be knocked out of his hand, but that doesn't explain why the opening in the lid is open. Maybe they just thought the visual effect would be better with the coffee flying out.

[maggiethecat]

mlm828 said:

I noticed this, too. It raises another question, aside from how he knows where the opening is. Why open the opening in the lid in the first place? Is Jim going to "drink and walk"? Doesn't he have enough to concentrate on while navigating to the precinct?

Aw, I just figured by this point Jim's enough of a multi-tasker to walk down the street with Hank and drink coffee at the same time. After all, who wants to deal with Russo first thing in the morning without several belts of caffeine? One at home, one in the subway, one on the street, one at his desk when he gets there . . .

[rducasey]

Ah and the blooper doesn't end there. If you notice, the vendor man leaves the lid up and Jim turns it toward him, but as he is walking away and before the perp knocks it out of his hand, the lid is back down. Now talk about multi tasking, Jim's hands are full (Hank's harness and coffee) so does he use his tongue to put the lid back in place? Maybe he just took that first well needed sip after getting off that train and then snapped it shut again with his mouth? Oh for the missing scenes.

[mlm828]

rducasey said:

Ah and the blooper doesn't end there. If you notice, the vendor man leaves the lid up and Jim turns it toward him, but as he is walking away and before the perp knocks it out of his hand, the lid is back down. Now talk about multi tasking, Jim's hands are full (Hank's harness and coffee) so does he use his tongue to put the lid back in place? Maybe he just took that first well needed sip after getting off that train and then snapped it shut again with his mouth? Oh for the missing scenes.

Well, that shoots down my theory that the opening in the lid was open so the coffee would fly out when the cup was knocked out of Jim's hand. I seem to remember coffee flying out of the cup, so I guess the lid came off?

Back to maggie's theory about "multi-tasking": this very well could be correct. Fortunately, I have no personal knowledge of what it takes for Jim to get where he needs to go, and I may be overestimating the concentration needed to do this. I just thought that drinking coffee at the same time could be a distraction.

[maggiethecat]

rducasey said:

Ah and the blooper doesn't end there. If you notice, the vendor man leaves the lid up and Jim turns it toward him, but as he is walking away and before the perp knocks it out of his hand, the lid is back down. Now talk about multi tasking, Jim's hands are full (Hank's harness and coffee) so does he use his tongue to put the lid back in place? Maybe he just took that first well needed sip after getting off that train and then snapped it shut again with his mouth? Oh for the missing scenes.

Missing scene? More like slipshod editing, which I would not have thought possible from this particular creative team. Then again, they had eight days to edit each episode and we've had, what? six, seven months to dissect them?

I almost ain't fair.

[awlrite4now]

doobrah said:

kathy said:

In Four Feet Under after the scene with the Medical Examiner explaining her findings to Jim and Karen, they interview Lloyd Crider again. During the conversation Karen says: "The Medical Examiner said the arm was serious." I have played this several times and I hear Jim's next sentence as "He said it would be very tough not to notice".

Did anyone else hear this as "he"? Is this a blooper???

Definitely a blooper, but I attibuted it to the scriptwriter assuming a male would be cast as the ME, and they forgot to change it when the woman was cast. Or she was cast after the Jim&Karen scene with Lloyd was filmed.

Now, I don't live in Noo York City, but it seems to me that there could be more than one ME employed there, and depending what shift you might catch it on, it could be a he? And they were just generalizing the comment?

[awlrite4now]

doobrah said:

Here's a sort of blooper that gets me every time:

In "Seoul Man," in the beginning when Jim get's his coffee from the street vendor, he takes the cup and automatically turns the cup around so the opening in the lid is facing his mouth. He doesn't feel for the opening, he just turns the cup around so the opening is facing himself.

What's up with that? Our usual method actor Ron slips up on something like that?

Maybe...just maybe...he buys coffee from this guy every day, and everyday the guy puts the lid on the same way: facing himself. So Jim has learned that he has to turn the cup around because the guy always hands it to him "backwards". Makes as much sense as anything else might.

I dunno about the rest of you, but I can close one of those lids with one hand while I'm driving with the other, so where is the big deal about him doing that?

[hoosier]

On Rub a Tub--Jim says "Carl's body was dead and wrapped up" Most certainly he meant to say " Carl was dead and the/his body was wrapped up" ! Must have been a long day!